From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: An anonymous IRC user's opinion Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2024 15:10:47 +0200 Message-ID: <878qv1nzqg.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <87plodsjsd.fsf@web.de> <878qv1fp2z.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17047"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:5l1p3MaD6xTT2HrCJ1qlDr9pjeM= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 06 15:37:30 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sxRRx-0004Hk-Q5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 06 Oct 2024 15:37:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sxRRM-00060w-0I; Sun, 06 Oct 2024 09:36:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sxR2K-0003SN-0R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Oct 2024 09:11:00 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sxR2I-0002lj-Dr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Oct 2024 09:10:59 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sxR2F-000AO9-Rd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Oct 2024 15:10:55 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 06 Oct 2024 09:36:50 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:324361 Archived-At: Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > And I just learned about C-h b. That's a command we should > show more prominently. Here, read this interview, if you'd like - https://sachachua.com/blog/2024/04/emacs-interview-daniel-semyonov/ this guy [hello if you are reading this] learned to program just using the on-line help (that means Emacs' help, on-line means not printed on paper). And many people did that, this is the first time I heard it in the Emacs world but using the help system and that's all. The F1 keys on Windows if you remember. (Not sure if I do. What did the F10 key do?) So, one wonders, why is it better to read the manual ONCE cover to cover in a book than bringing the help up whenever one needs it, one short paragraph at a time, on the screen? To me, if I had to pick only one, the computer version, I would take that and not the book. (No, the help isn't _the_ manual, but it is _a_ manual, why not.) People are different and we have different resources, it is all good and we shouldn't assume anyone has done anything IMO. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal