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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "Stefan Monnier" <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>,
	"Elias Mårtenson" <lokedhs@gmail.com>
Cc: Philippe Vaucher <philippe.vaucher@gmail.com>,
	emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: custom-set-variables considered harmful
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 07:03:39 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8782ed42-3aec-4111-b4f0-471c838e7370@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvpo812l3a.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

> > Thus, if you use ‘setq’ instead of ‘custom-set-variable’ you need to
> > manually check every single variable to ensure they don't have setter
> > functions assigned.  If you want to be thorough (nobody is) you also
> > need to check them every time your modules are updated.  This is not
> > just a theoretical situation.
> 
> Note that there are also many situations where the var has a setter, yet
> doing (setq foo val) on it from your ~/.emacs will still work correctly
> (as long as you do it before loading the library).
> I'd argue it's actually the most frequent case.
> 
> > It happened in gnu-apl-mode, a library for which I am the maintainer.
> > In it, the variable ‘gnu-apl-mode-map-prefix’ got a setter function
> > after the fact.
> 
> Looking at gnu-apl-mode.el, I get the impression that this is no
> exception:
> 
>     (setq gnu-apl-mode-map-prefix "C-")
>     (require 'gnu-apl-mode)
> 
> will result in the exact same state as
> 
>     (customize-set-variable 'gnu-apl-mode-map-prefix "C-")
>     (require 'gnu-apl-mode)
> 
> after gnu-apl-mode is loaded, OTOH you indeed need to use
> customize-set-variable because a setq would have no real effect.

It may be the case that many uses of `setq' amount to the
same thing as using `c-s-var*'.  But I'm not sure what
that changes.

Here's a crazy possibility (not a suggestion, but maybe
food for thought): Make `setq' do `customize-set-variable'
for an option and do what it does now otherwise.

(Ducks for cover...)



  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-29 15:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-04 17:10 custom-set-variables considered harmful Stefan Monnier
2017-11-06  9:02 ` Philippe Vaucher
2017-11-06 12:19   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-11-06 16:36   ` raman
2017-11-07 19:53     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-08 10:06 ` Vivek Dasmohapatra
2017-11-08 13:38   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-08 14:23     ` Vivek Dasmohapatra
2017-11-08 15:17       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-08 15:34         ` Vivek Dasmohapatra
2017-11-13 16:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-24  7:04   ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-11-24  7:16     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-24 17:37       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-11-24 17:56         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-26 12:15       ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-11-26 16:30         ` Drew Adams
2017-11-28 14:12         ` Philippe Vaucher
2017-11-28 16:50           ` John Wiegley
2017-12-01  9:44             ` Philippe Vaucher
2017-11-29  3:36           ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-11-29 15:00             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-29 15:03               ` Drew Adams [this message]
2017-12-01 20:42                 ` Robert Weiner
2017-12-02  0:10                   ` Richard Stallman
2017-12-02  1:58                     ` Drew Adams
2017-12-02  5:56                 ` Teemu Likonen
2017-11-29 16:35               ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-11-29 19:57                 ` Scott Randby
2017-11-29 22:08                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-30  0:40                     ` Scott Randby
2017-12-01  9:51             ` Philippe Vaucher
2017-12-04 13:48   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-04 15:36     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 16:05     ` Robert Weiner
2017-12-04 23:50     ` Richard Stallman
2017-12-05  1:45       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-23 20:12 ` John Wiegley

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