From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes to Texinfo DTD Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:48:14 +0200 Organization: JURTA Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <877k1o6rxd.fsf@mail.jurta.org> References: <8765heixvu.fsf@kanga.tapsellferrier.co.uk> <87ptfkdqss.fsf@kanga.tapsellferrier.co.uk> <20031122214251.GA14680@fencepost> <874qwuqjzw.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <200311241619.hAOGJ6W27027@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <87brr1konj.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <200311251954.hAPJsTc00512@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1069797417 15264 80.91.224.253 (25 Nov 2003 21:56:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:56:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 25 22:56:54 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AOlB0-0001y9-00 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 22:56:54 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AOlB0-0006g7-00 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 22:56:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AOm4J-0003uU-Fb for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:54:03 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AOm1Z-0003JG-Pk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:51:13 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AOm1G-0003EE-KO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:51:09 -0500 Original-Received: from [64.246.52.22] (helo=ns5.tangramltd.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.24) id 1AOm1B-0003Ch-Um for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:50:50 -0500 Original-Received: from 80-235-34-228-dsl.mus.estpak.ee ([80.235.34.228] helo=mail.jurta.org) by ns5.tangramltd.com with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOl3c-00065M-9p; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:49:16 +0200 Original-To: Luc Teirlinck In-Reply-To: <200311251954.hAPJsTc00512@raven.dms.auburn.edu> (Luc Teirlinck's message of "Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:54:29 -0600 (CST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ns5.tangramltd.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jurta.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:18121 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:18121 > The same is true for web browsers too. They display only a link title > without URL in the text area. But when you move the mouse pointer > over a link, the browser displays the URL in the status bar. > Emacs Info currently works in the same way: it puts the help-echo > text property on a reference, so you can see the full address in the > echo area after moving mouse over a reference. > > Info file names are usually very short, URL's tend to be long. True, > I can get the full information, but it requires some extra effort. I > may not take the trouble because I expect it to go to a section of the > manual I am reading, because that is the "normal" situation. Hence, I > do not worry about it because I have already read it and miss out on > necessary information. This looks like a complaint about how all current web browsers work :-) You don't see in the text area of web browsers whether a link leads to to same site or not. Well, some sites (like slashdot.org) adds the name of external site after a link in the text if link leads outside. This is actually similar to what you are proposing. > Anyway, if not, then the question is whether your proposed new > implementation will work fine, filling and everything, with all > possible values of Info-hide-note-references. In that case, everybody > can customize. (I believe I understood that this thread is talking > about a format that could potentially be used by Emacs, unlike the "A > new online publishing ... " thread.) I wanted to clarify what is the best way to display references in the current Info format or XML output of Texinfo without refilling and without changing line lengths. -- http://www.jurta.org/emacs/