From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Avoiding moving point into minibuffer prompt area Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:27:59 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <877jem15q8.fsf@jurta.org> References: <43014167.5000109@student.lu.se> <200508160413.j7G4Dt106348@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <4301AC2B.7040104@student.lu.se> <87ll3288tb.fsf@jurta.org> <4301C4C5.5020608@student.lu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1124195134 13511 80.91.229.2 (16 Aug 2005 12:25:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:25:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: teirllm@dms.auburn.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 16 14:25:24 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E50V4-0001Di-RL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:25:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E50YU-00074A-D6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:28:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1E4zi1-0001aS-Lz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:34:21 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1E4zhx-0001Z1-Bg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:34:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E4zhx-0001YO-1p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:34:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [194.126.101.111] (helo=mail.neti.ee) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E4ztU-0006fW-KG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:46:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.neti.ee (80-235-32-216-dsl.mus.estpak.ee [80.235.32.216]) by Relayhost2.neti.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C4520FF; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:29:59 +0300 (EEST) Original-To: Lennart Borgman In-Reply-To: <4301C4C5.5020608@student.lu.se> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:49:41 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) (Debian) at neti.ee X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:42115 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:42115 >>It is useful to move point into the minibuffer prompt without >>changing default settings. But since this can be confusing for >>beginners, maybe it should be more difficult to move point into the >>prompt area by default? For example, to disable moving point into >>the prompt with C-b, but allow C-a at the beginning of the input >>area to move point to the beginning of the prompt. This is like C-a >>(`message-beginning-of-line') works on message header fields. >> > Could be an idea, sounds consistent and not to surprising perhaps. But > it seems easier to change the default for "Inviolable". Instead of changing the default, please try to find a solution that will please as much the beginners as the seasoned Emacs users. > BTW the message "Text is readonly" is also confusing when "Inviolable" > is set. You expect the prompt to be readonly and the message is > disturbing when you delete character by character and then suddenly this > text appears over the prompt. The first time you see this you may think > that something is very wrong, at least that is what I did. What do you expect in this situation? Trying to delete a character at bob prints the message "Beginning of buffer". Perhaps it should print something like "Beginning of prompt input area" in the minibuffer. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/