From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tab bar Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 11:48:32 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <877if7z97z.fsf@jurta.org> References: <87wsnaso3h.fsf@jurta.org> <47FAB55A.80102@harpegolden.net> <87lk3o2e7y.fsf@jurta.org> <47FC16CA.80707@harpegolden.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1207732545 8213 80.91.229.12 (9 Apr 2008 09:15:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 09:15:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David De La Harpe Golden Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 09 11:16:17 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JjWPX-0001D8-74 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 11:16:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JjWOt-000163-KY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 05:15:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjWLr-0007P1-0a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 05:12:19 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjWLp-0007O0-Cc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 05:12:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JjWLp-0007Nt-1a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 05:12:17 -0400 Original-Received: from relay01.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.200]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JjWLo-0008Rc-Pi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 05:12:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay01.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JjWLm-000Fvb-Ip; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:12:14 +0300 In-Reply-To: <47FC16CA.80707@harpegolden.net> (David De La Harpe Golden's message of "Wed, 09 Apr 2008 02:07:22 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-Scanner-Signature: 1e897a521fdb5eac39b1f944f187ca57 X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Not Detected X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 2590 [Apr 09 2008] X-SpamTest-Info: helo_type=3 X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: none X-SpamTest-Rate: 10 X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: not_detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0278], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Error: This connection is not (no longer?) in the cache. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:94768 Archived-At: >> We already have a suitable infrastructure of graphical primitives to >> implement a tab bar on top of it. It is required to have graphical >> areas attached to window edges that can contain a row of bitmaps >> bound to some commands. This functionality is already supported by the >> header line and window fringes. It seems what we need is to improve >> them to attach arbitrary number of header lines and fringes to a window, >> and to render text (tab names) using specified fonts on these >> graphical elements. > > however, toolkits like gtk+ do have tab widgets, like they have tool > bars and scroll bars - shouldn't they be usable, akin to "toolkit scroll > bars" and "toolkit tool bars" and "toolkit menu bars" in emacs? Then should we have two versions of tab widgets: Gtk and non-Gtk? >> I think tab bars are popular because they contain only elements of the >> current program without stuff from other programs in their lists. > > Trying to understand that, at least re tabbed wm vs. > intraprogram-implemented tabbing - are you suggesting the > window-attached tab bars in a tabbed wm *would* have stuff from other > programs in their lists? Now, granted they _could_, but typically,other > applications' windows would have to be manually dragged into the tabbed > window, whereas new windows from existing applications could e.g. > default to the tabbed window their last window went into. The main disadvantage of tabbed WMs is that they can't provide program-specific functionality like e.g. a command to undo tab closing, etc. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/