From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul R Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:04:44 +0200 Message-ID: <877iadxij7.fsf@gmail.com> References: <873al79akr.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> <48A5BAD7.8030302@emf.net> <48A740CB.4050404@emf.net> <20080816213508.GA8530@muc.de> <87hc9ka8eg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080817073124.GA1294@muc.de> <87ljyv5gy5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080818101802.GA2615@muc.de> <87bpzqqk7b.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219163459 28755 80.91.229.12 (19 Aug 2008 16:30:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:30:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, "Stephen J. 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Stallman's message of "Tue\, 19 Aug 2008 08\:21\:43 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:08:18 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102668 Archived-At: Hello Richard, On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:21:43 -0400, "Richard M. Stallman" said: RMS> Not everyone will make the decision not to use it. Depending on RMS> how convenient it is, lots of people might use it. That would be RMS> a big change for the worse. And depending on how inconvenient emacs is, lots of people might just avoid it in favor of a fully-proprietary system. OTOH, depending on how convenient the solution libre is, lots of people might start using it. You can read every figures concerning the recent rise of popularity and usage of free software to the mass. The fact is that more and more people are now liberated from the proprietary world by using free software. Do you think it is because they suddently realized that proprietary software was unethical ? I don't think so. They just realized how much more convenient it was for them to use free software. I totally agree with you how sad it is, but Firefox, OpenOffice and Ubuntu bring free software to many people, while GNUEmacs or gNewSense can't really help to spread the word. Ultimatly, you can't prevent other vendors to provide proprietary solutions, so I think such a technical retriction to emacs will only penalize emacs users (and more generaly free software users). -- Paul