From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: improve vc-bzr-print-log Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:54:47 +0900 Message-ID: <877hxu6gbc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <200907261728.n6QHSNCP010388@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <87y6qbutg4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <200907262155.n6QLtQk4013442@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1248659924 12309 80.91.229.12 (27 Jul 2009 01:58:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 01:58:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dan Nicolaescu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 27 03:58:37 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MVFU4-0008CV-0n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 03:58:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51705 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MVFU3-00062g-Ir for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:58:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MVFTz-000615-HM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:58:31 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MVFTu-0005uL-UX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:58:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45716 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MVFTu-0005u5-Qd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:58:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]:59686) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MVFTu-0000z0-6W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:58:26 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27421537B3; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:58:24 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 53DF11A3002; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:54:47 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <200907262155.n6QLtQk4013442@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12-devo-585 under 21.5 (beta29) "garbanzo" 5bbff3553494 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:113189 Archived-At: Dan Nicolaescu writes: > The thing is that bzr users have all the reasons to use very up to date > versions, the performance and disk usage is dramatically better. All true, but the bzr developers themselves worry about this, especially because even Ubuntu releases lag bzr releases by many months, and other distros are even more conservative. bzr is also not yet out of the woods with respect to "format churn" (in terms of released versions); there's another big one on the way in the next month (that is, the recently released as "optional" in 1.17 "--2a" format will become "default" in 2.0, unless of course they have to retrench on 2.0 and it becomes 1.18 instead, in which case who knows what will happen to the status of "--2a" format or when it will become default and eventually propagate into the distros). I realize that "Emacs developers" won't have a problem with adopting a bzr recent enough for Emacs developer problems (many are already following bzr.dev, I suspect), but it's definitely a barrier to entry for new contributors (something that comes up frequently on the bazaar list).