From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:01:01 +0900 Message-ID: <877hp3ivwy.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87ocitw2dl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <201003130001.o2D01FFQ003489@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <87vdd1yqe4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87eijjzrkd.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> <20100317143519.GB4381@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1269313368 23879 80.91.229.12 (23 Mar 2010 03:02:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 03:02:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, Lennart Borgman , emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, dann@ics.uci.edu, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, acm@muc.de To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 23 04:02:42 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NtuO9-0007R9-VP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 04:02:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55130 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NtuO9-00054R-Kj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:02:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NtuO4-000521-2Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:02:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=40306 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NtuO2-000512-S7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:02:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NtuNx-000182-CA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:02:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:40329) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NtuNw-00017X-JA; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:02:29 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB3278212; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:02:24 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3DB921A3800; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:01:01 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12-devo-585 under 21.5 (beta29) "garbanzo" a03421eb562b XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122524 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > How about if we find out empirically. The way to do this is to turn it on by default, *provisionally* for *one* pretest[1], and listen for the screams. Otherwise people who just update but don't read these interminable and terminally boring threads won't be part of the test, and the results will be seriously biased. Note that making an effort to gather data on less active posters and/or inexperienced users does *not* mean that their responses should be interpreted the same way as you do those of experienced users. You stil have to factor in the question of "dynamic efficiency" (ie, whether having Emacs behave similarly to other apps in this respect might inhibit the process of learning to use Emacs effectively). We can hope that their posts will include comments that can be used to infer the strength of such effects. Of course the beta testers should be warned, eg, in the splash screen and in NEWS. Footnotes: [1] Or perhaps the current pretest process is too advanced for this kind of thing, and it should be pushed back to the first pretest of the next release.