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From: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
To: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs and Gnome Canvas
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:00:05 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877hkwag6y.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fwzkbzg8.fsf@telefonica.net> ("Óscar Fuentes"'s message of "Thu, 15 Jul 2010 16:18:47 +0200")

Óscar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es> writes:

> AFAIK the display system have evolved from the tty one by incremental
> updates

No, the redisplay system was redesigned during Emacs 21 specifically
with both tty and graphical terminals in mind.  It did not evolve
mindlessly; the design has a very specific logic behind it.  As long as
we support tty, there is no getting rid of the redisplay iterator.
Since we have the redisplay iterator, the same system might as well be
used for graphical displays; it would terribly problematic to switch
between completely different rendering schemes for tty and graphical
displays to render the same underlying content.

It is still not too clear to me what we would gain from a Canvas-type
revamp of redisplay, relative to the large costs involved.  It does not
seem like a promising avenue of development.

A more promising route is the one that Yamamoto Mitsuharu has explored,
mentioned earlier in this thread, which (IIUC) treats Cairo as a
graphical terminal to render onto, on the same footing as the
tty/X/Windows/NS terminals.  Here, I can see a reasonable path to real
improvement.  For example, it might allow us to use the GTK printing
infrastructure, which operates on Cairo contexts.  If you are interested
in redisplay development, that is the direction I'd suggest looking
into.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-07-15 16:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-13 19:02 Emacs, QT and Cairo Was: Re: Efforts to attract more users? Stephen Eilert
2010-07-13 19:29 ` Chong Yidong
2010-07-13 19:51   ` Chad Brown
2010-07-13 20:48 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-13 22:30   ` Emacs, QT and Cairo Chad Brown
2010-07-14  1:39     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-14  2:32       ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-14  7:29     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-14 18:37       ` Chad Brown
2010-07-14 20:45         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-14 21:24           ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-15  6:55             ` Emacs and Gnome Canvas (was: Emacs, QT and Cairo) Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15  7:46               ` Emacs and Gnome Canvas Jan Djärv
2010-07-15  7:53                 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-15  8:36                   ` joakim
2010-07-15  8:40                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15  8:50                     ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-15  8:38                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15  8:48                   ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-15  8:59                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15  9:29                       ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-15 10:24                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15 10:54                           ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-15 12:27                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15 14:18                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-15 15:14                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-16  6:33                                   ` Miles Bader
2010-07-15 16:00                                 ` Chong Yidong [this message]
2010-07-15 16:27                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-15 17:06                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15 17:48                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-15 18:06                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15 21:27                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-16  8:17                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-16 14:24                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-16 15:19                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-16 16:07                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-16 18:43                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-16 21:21                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-16 23:44                                                         ` Chad Brown
2010-07-17  0:08                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-17  7:57                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-17  8:34                                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2010-07-17  9:10                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-17  9:40                                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2010-07-17 10:23                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-17 13:49                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-17  7:27                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-17 13:42                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-17 15:27                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-17 21:53                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-18  1:42                                                               ` Miles Bader
2010-07-18  2:45                                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-18  8:06                                                                   ` Chad Brown
2010-07-18 14:43                                                                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-21  8:34                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2010-07-22 14:26                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-07-15 17:22                                     ` Chong Yidong
2010-07-15 18:02                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-15 22:10                                         ` Stephen Eilert
2010-07-16  7:52                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-16  2:14                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-16  7:33                                     ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-16  9:52                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-16 10:15                                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-16 10:39                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-16 12:42                                             ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-17  3:50                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-17  8:33                                                 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-17  8:38                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-17  9:18                                                     ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-17  9:25                                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-17 10:26                                                         ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-18  3:51                                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-18  7:10                                                             ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-18  7:45                                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-18  9:06                                                                 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-19  0:50                                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-17  1:00                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-17  1:40                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-17  8:04                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-17  8:25                                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-16 12:21                                         ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-16 10:01                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-16 12:26                                         ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-16 14:05                                           ` Davis Herring
2010-07-16 17:38                                             ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-17  1:12                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-17  7:14                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-17  7:31                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-17  8:12                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-17  8:32                                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-15 14:24                               ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-15 14:35                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15 15:16                                   ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-15 15:20                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15 17:14                                       ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-15  9:20               ` Andy Wingo
2010-07-15 18:41               ` Emacs and Gnome Canvas (was: Emacs, QT and Cairo) Dirk-Jan C. Binnema
2010-07-15 21:51                 ` Emacs and Gnome Canvas Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-15 22:21                   ` Bruce Stephens
2010-07-27 21:24     ` Emacs, QT and Cairo Stefan Monnier
2010-07-27 21:36       ` Chad Brown
2010-07-28  3:05         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-14  8:59 ` Emacs, QT and Cairo Was: Re: Efforts to attract more users? YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-14  9:41   ` Emacs, QT and Cairo David Engster
2010-07-14  9:56     ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-14 13:50     ` Drew Adams
2010-07-14 14:14       ` David Engster
2010-07-14 14:28         ` joakim
2010-07-14 15:41   ` Emacs, QT and Cairo Was: Re: Efforts to attract more users? Chong Yidong
2010-07-14 16:17     ` joakim
2010-07-14 18:04       ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-15 23:15 ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2010-07-16  7:41   ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-16 10:24     ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2010-07-16 12:36       ` Jan Djärv
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-07-17 19:02 Emacs and Gnome Canvas grischka

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