From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bastien Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Periodical releases Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 10:31:41 +0100 Message-ID: <877h16337m.fsf@gnu.org> References: <71588355363047528F16FE989690A488@us.oracle.com> <87r4ze3lf8.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1325755857 19451 80.91.229.12 (5 Jan 2012 09:30:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:30:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Dave Abrahams , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 05 10:30:53 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rijeu-00079y-11 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 10:30:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57380 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rijet-0000jd-Hu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 04:30:51 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:39529) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rijem-0000jU-RV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 04:30:50 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rijeh-00004q-6n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 04:30:44 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com ([74.125.82.169]:52260) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rijec-0008W2-NJ; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 04:30:34 -0500 Original-Received: by werf1 with SMTP id f1so270139wer.0 for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 01:30:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=6ri/8YpnEPvGK2zQDLaBNWtR8A5tzd4svbQOwobNu6s=; b=m1WfehhBhwH62DhYpABesioMC/MNo4/Z5xrZCOrkDNDh9BVda0jMXFgzY4MYcACces fwg7vbKXBE6d4fjJLo9JsFfTnUHmRM7hAf7+gjvOvF/tSb/4TIeuHunxcas9bEh0GTWn EmKbPJ2WjK8v8dG99ZJbfdU2yx7saIGC2qPU0= Original-Received: by 10.216.138.73 with SMTP id z51mr563396wei.55.1325755833780; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 01:30:33 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from myhost.localdomain (fon75-1-78-192-119-5.fbxo.proxad.net. [78.192.119.5]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id eu3sm31174611wib.6.2012.01.05.01.30.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 05 Jan 2012 01:30:32 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by myhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CE75913E30; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 10:31:41 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <87r4ze3lf8.fsf@gnu.org> (Chong Yidong's message of "Thu, 05 Jan 2012 10:58:19 +0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 74.125.82.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147325 Archived-At: Chong Yidong writes: > Frankly, I'm not convinced there's any problem. I can see two problems: 1) merging Org into Emacs trunk is a bit painful. I'm still looking for a good workflow -- given the fact that Org is using git and Emacs is using bzr. Any concret suggestion here is welcome. I didn't grok Stefan's last suggestion. 2) I will probably release Org 8.0 before the end of the feature freeze (say march or april). Not having it in Emacs 24.1 is not such a big deal, agreed, but it creates a situation where people often install Org on top of the one that comes with Emacs, which doesn't feel optimal and leads to many questions, because of conflicting installs. Both are separate, and I can try to take care of (1) myself. As for (2), let me refine my suggestion: what about a main feature freeze for core functionalities and another one for big modules like Org, Gnus, etc.? The feature freeze for those module could happen for a *limited* and *known* period of time -- say 2 months before the Emacs release date. > Emacs 23.3 was released > less than one year ago, and we are already well into the pretest for > 24.1. Doing considerably better would require resources we don't have. > Note that all those projects that are being held up as models for their > periodic release systems have people working on them full time! Yes. It should also be noted that things are getting at a very good pace since you and Stefan took over maintainership, I guess everyone acknowledges it. -- Bastien