From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Engster Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CEDET merge Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 13:19:23 +0200 Message-ID: <877gr2a5s4.fsf@engster.org> References: <87fw6izq6z.fsf@gnu.org> <87obl6c7dj.fsf@engster.org> <87bogsedna.fsf_-_@engster.org> <87626vd380.fsf@engster.org> <87k3v6c9tf.fsf@engster.org> <871uhbrgob.fsf@gnu.org> <87lifjbzx3.fsf@engster.org> <87ipany8zi.fsf@gnu.org> <87626nbjbo.fsf@engster.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1349608773 17960 80.91.229.3 (7 Oct 2012 11:19:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 11:19:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong , "Eric M. Ludlam" , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 07 13:19:39 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TKotW-00059G-Ih for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 13:19:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47450 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TKotQ-00042A-I5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 07:19:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50221) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TKotN-00041u-JW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 07:19:30 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TKotM-0002Bq-CO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 07:19:29 -0400 Original-Received: from randomsample.de ([83.169.19.17]:45947) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TKotM-0002Bl-2u; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 07:19:28 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=randomsample.de; s=a; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=TtNv/XLq0eM8SCCkGyY+7hKSqPRP/OPmzIvmypO0RDM=; b=ujR/jIf1jhA47c5MZ84ghLNjCD98+fwnX5tpmfTiA6QbOMznNf1VilOFWEYLvIHEKBY4x5/dTNzQ1kzd2UOhcz6fhLmm3pDMIg1/Bfmp+Hei3G6SFivE7ghW7E8Y0SLM; Original-Received: from dslc-082-083-033-051.pools.arcor-ip.net ([82.83.33.51] helo=spaten) by randomsample.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TKotJ-0005AQ-G7; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 13:19:25 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sat, 06 Oct 2012 14:10:41 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) Mail-Followup-To: Stefan Monnier , Chong Yidong , emacs-devel@gnu.org, "Eric M. Ludlam" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 83.169.19.17 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:154170 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> Regarding the files which are both in Emacs and in CEDET: those are >> pretty much in sync now except for some compatibility code we have to >> keep for Emacs 23.1.. We also have some 'defadvice' hacks which we >> obviously cannot merge. For getting rid of the defadvices, some changes >> in Emacs core packages are needed, but I didn't have time to do that >> before the freeze (for example, getting proper help buffers for EIEIO >> classes and methods is pretty high on my TODO list). > > OK. I expect the removal of defadvice will require some changes to the > core, so probably some discussions to agree on how to do it, right? Sure. I have some ideas on how to do the help buffer stuff for EIEIO, but it doesn't make sense to discuss this during the freeze. >> There are still some packages which are only in CEDET upstream for >> several reasons: They're either pretty new and not well tested, or are >> in our 'contrib' directory and don't have proper papers, or because they >> are a bit obscure (sorry Eric ;-) ) and well separated and hence would >> better fit into ELPA. For example, I think Cogre (for generating UML >> graphs) would be a good candidate for an ELPA package. > > Adding those that can (i.e. that have the needed copyright paperwork) to > GNU ELPA would be great, yes. Cogre was written by Eric, but maybe others have contributed. We will have to look that up. > Reminds me: we should start labeling the files not just with "who's the > maintainer" but also with "is there some external upstream". Maybe by > adding a "Canonical-URL:" header for those externally-maintained files? I think a simple flag would suffice, so that those files are excluded from large changes which break compatibility to older versions, like the move to `cl-lib'. -David