From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Rename `eww' to `web' Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 01:33:09 +0400 Message-ID: <877ghchaay.fsf@yandex.ru> References: > <86wqpdq768.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1372541606 22836 80.91.229.3 (29 Jun 2013 21:33:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 21:33:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, Nic Ferrier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 29 23:33:26 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ut2lp-0002nz-Sg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 23:33:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37952 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ut2lp-0007bE-G7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 17:33:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40012) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ut2lj-0007Zt-9y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 17:33:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ut2lf-0002Gq-0A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 17:33:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-la0-x235.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c03::235]:44574) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ut2le-0002Gi-Om; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 17:33:14 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-la0-f53.google.com with SMTP id fs12so3204322lab.26 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:33:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:x-antivirus:x-antivirus-status; bh=QRmDqPE7IsvFY8LZGVTb6iJxMLfNRWXS2CKTrCT/b1Y=; b=K4Uwz0qF1cnB6iXU2gVJNrA+YPtKEAhMpmP/y5VrG09bgAVoZTPOarJ+COnAhb3XlL SrVlqkhNTIBqOVaXEMCSk0WpcYHK7wSjyM3Fi7z+KHx7hXUkfjUjo8RN18nVzmMgDh8q l8ZlSQiLp4bIw8jQ1flTOfa1pl+RrBpm4aMT+PPtBTl+qq2Mi2xB31e0+Yfyhy+EP4c4 tYxLLkjNiqV75pentYWHZnD4IKJn6foukuQG6vqa5lD6MO51ccTp/MPKHLAhvhP91LnL 9fquPWZnIUSF4qUCj7yU1BeyZScz13ZbF6SgbGutZLubQs3MDHUVsMEvroFmet0hju8l qj5g== X-Received: by 10.152.23.99 with SMTP id l3mr8932245laf.82.1372541593126; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from SOL ([178.252.98.87]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ea14sm4654548lbb.11.2013.06.29.14.33.11 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:33:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat, 29 Jun 2013 16:30:26 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (windows-nt) X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130629-0, 29.06.2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c03::235 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:161299 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > Making things easy for users must take priority. We cannot regard a > name as somehow "occupied" by code that we don't somehow distribute or > recommend. I think this approach is offensive to the community. The Emacs ecosystem is not limited to code that GNU distributes. You better have a good reason to take over the name of an established package. > Even if we did somehow distribute or recommend that code, we might > still want to use that name for something else. Making Emacs > good for users is they point. Making third-party developers unhappy is not a very good way to make users happy. That said, I don't feel that `web' is a particularly good name for a browser package. It's too generic and bland - if I was looking for such package, I probably would search for `browser' or `internet', not `web'. And making `browse-url' default to `eww-browse-url' doesn't require changing the name of the latter.