From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ce1d38: Use curved quotes in core elisp diagnostics Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 02:29:29 +0200 Message-ID: <877fosf7di.fsf@wanadoo.es> References: <55D1043C.3030909@yandex.ru> <55D15899.2070105@cs.ucla.edu> <20150817121513.GA2634@acm.fritz.box> <55D21191.8070202@cs.ucla.edu> <20150817173551.GB2634@acm.fritz.box> <55D29EA6.2020009@cs.ucla.edu> <20150818103921.GA2262@acm.fritz.box> <55D36132.1020900@cs.ucla.edu> <20150818171715.GD2262@acm.fritz.box> <55D3869E.30302@cs.ucla.edu> <20150818204211.GF2262@acm.fritz.box> <55D3A641.7040409@cs.ucla.edu> <87bne4fc7s.fsf@wanadoo.es> <55D3C28D.3000006@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1439944205 25738 80.91.229.3 (19 Aug 2015 00:30:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 00:30:05 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 19 02:29:56 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRrGM-0000VZ-Hp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 02:29:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60102 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRrGL-0005xA-Pq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 20:29:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37676) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRrGH-0005wu-Oi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 20:29:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRrGE-0006Ah-Hu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 20:29:49 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:44120) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRrGE-00069c-Aq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 20:29:46 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRrGC-0000KS-27 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 02:29:44 +0200 Original-Received: from 122.red-83-43-64.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.43.64.122]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 02:29:44 +0200 Original-Received: from ofv by 122.red-83-43-64.dynamicip.rima-tde.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 02:29:44 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 28 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 122.red-83-43-64.dynamicip.rima-tde.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:WX7uG++H8CifqTc38lN2X3xOFF8= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:188918 Archived-At: Paul Eggert writes: > Óscar Fuentes wrote: >> I admit that curly quotes are nicer, but that's easily achievable: make >> them appear on*Help* and other buffers that shows docstrings. > > That was done weeks ago. This thread is about something else: quotes > in diagnostics. It's not as easy to get diagnostics right, which is > why we're having this discussion. I thought that, in this subthread, we were discussing the introduction of curly quotes in source code. Sorry for the confusion. >> Maybe describing the specific >> user-visible improvements that this change will help to bring into >> reality would buy you more support. > > I have no secret master plan for revolutionizing Emacs. I'm just > trying to make improvements one step at a time. If it helps, I think > diagnostics are the last major component of getting Emacs quoting to > follow common modern practice (controlled by user preference of > course). There are some people (me included) that doubt that using hard-to-type chars in source code is an improvement, quite the opposite. I've yet to see a justification for this change. It would be great to have an explanation (as specific as possible) about how it will help to improve Emacs.