From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Tom Tromey Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2016 20:09:55 -0600 Message-ID: <877f9jeglo.fsf@tromey.com> References: <87wq97i78i.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <86k2dk77w6.fsf@molnjunk.nocrew.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1475892676 30678 195.159.176.226 (8 Oct 2016 02:11:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 02:11:16 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Lars Brinkhoff , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?S=C3=B8ren_Pilg=C3=A5rd?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 08 04:11:10 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bsh6O-0006hC-Mu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2016 04:11:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38995 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bsh6N-0006EL-1b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2016 22:11:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44524) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bsh6G-0006E5-An for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2016 22:10:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bsh6D-0005DM-0t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2016 22:10:56 -0400 Original-Received: from gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com ([69.89.20.226]:36810) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bsh6C-00050I-9l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2016 22:10:52 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 21122 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2016 02:10:31 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw3) (10.0.90.84) by gproxy10.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2016 02:10:31 -0000 Original-Received: from box522.bluehost.com ([74.220.219.122]) by cmgw3 with id sqAR1t0092f2jeq01qAU0X; Fri, 07 Oct 2016 20:10:31 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=KLfJUj1o c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=GsOEXm/OWkKvwdLVJsfwcA==:117 a=GsOEXm/OWkKvwdLVJsfwcA==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=CH0kA5CcgfcA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zstS-IiYAAAA:8 a=NEAV23lmAAAA:8 a=lBOaFWu2Z4Wx2Op_caUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=8HSrcc_jjYMA:10 a=VlZU0XKO32wA:10 a=6kGIvZw6iX1k4Y-7sg4_:22 a=4G6NA9xxw8l3yy4pmD5M:22 a=Bn2pgwyD2vrAyMmN8A2t:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tromey.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=s2mDj/DXBUm3lRpQviGC+iz4BYjQyKSnkShwV6TcWAo=; b=cPVTUFEUq4TyWeyoSs6Bdkc8Dj aQT7LDL7vY9+c210JKs/7A904nX/Lna4tlOQNm/Lg7AyOwpEp3THEB0TgkuIZj4BUAUWtxZEt+IXV 9iV4hsX44HSAoJBhzkdS47qjL; Original-Received: from 71-218-192-86.hlrn.qwest.net ([71.218.192.86]:37358 helo=bapiya) by box522.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_1) (envelope-from ) id 1bsh5k-0006Bn-9V; Fri, 07 Oct 2016 20:10:24 -0600 X-Attribution: Tom In-Reply-To: (=?utf-8?Q?=22S=C3=B8ren_Pilg=C3=A5rd=22's?= message of "Fri, 7 Oct 2016 18:18:56 +0200") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box522.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tromey.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 71.218.192.86 X-Exim-ID: 1bsh5k-0006Bn-9V X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: 71-218-192-86.hlrn.qwest.net (bapiya) [71.218.192.86]:37358 X-Source-Auth: tom+tromey.com X-Email-Count: 3 X-Source-Cap: ZWx5bnJvYmk7ZWx5bnJvYmk7Ym94NTIyLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 69.89.20.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:208068 Archived-At: >>>>> "S=C3=B8ren" =3D=3D S=C3=B8ren Pilg=C3=A5rd wr= ites: S=C3=B8ren> Be aware that Emacs lisp is not Common lisp and such a mapping = does S=C3=B8ren> have some pitfalls, especially around dynamic scoping and buffe= r local S=C3=B8ren> variables. S=C3=B8ren> I remember some blogposts about this (from 2012) S=C3=B8ren> http://tromey.com/blog/?p=3D709 http://tromey.com/blog/?p=3D751 S=C3=B8ren> http://tromey.com/blog/?p=3D778 I still love this wacky idea, but I pretty much moved on to: https://github.com/tromey/el-compilador The basic idea here being to eventually write Emacs in Emacs Lisp. I no longer think the language needs a radical change. It can just evolve in place. Tom