From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Engster Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." 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Metzger" To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 24 23:07:58 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iZ02w-000y9y-HJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 23:07:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38974 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iZ02v-0006R2-Ad for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 17:07:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53636) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iZ02Q-0006Qj-5Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 17:07:27 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iZ02O-0000zh-QB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 17:07:25 -0500 Original-Received: from randomsample.de ([5.45.97.173]:55005) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iZ02O-0000wx-GJ; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 17:07:24 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=randomsample.de; s=a; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=52PXWFxPGiAtNTsp5x3O1B+RLTY3++nTBUifcVNL6fg=; b=in5z7DOIpSlQO0l1t1Qz6eCPsmMS583+wz7cCv1D8CWrsQ2DTXcRyQzDiSAdbDptAGFfZKeJWJ1nh981JOKVz4eh6fUkVjuqpEDCD9kxVVU3emvWNDGF+kjTyVetMR8l; Original-Received: from ip5f5abab0.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de ([95.90.186.176] helo=void) by randomsample.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1iZ02D-0004us-8O; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 23:07:13 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87k17t4e87.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:15:52 +0100") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 5.45.97.173 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:242693 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Stefan Monnier writes: > >> Maybe we could do the following: >> >> 1- Get a new Gitlab feature which allows anonymous users to subscribe >> arbitrary email addresses to an issue. >> >> 2- Then we can build an email gateway from bug-gnu-emacs to Gitlab which >> adds the bug report (under some "gateway-bot" user) as a new issue and >> then subscribes the original submitter's email so they get an email >> copy on any activity to the bug. >> >> 3- Presumably any such email-copy comes with a specially crafted "From:" >> address such that replying to that email adds the reply as a comment >> in the issue. >> >> I don't know if Gitlab has feature (3) already, but Github does so >> I presume that it's not a problematic feature. > > Yup; I think we have to have this if Gitlab is to be a usable solution > for Emacs. I'm playing around with SourceHut a bit lately (https://sourcehut.org), and it supports adding tickets without an existing account via mail, and for import you can create tickets through its API with an arbitrary external_id, which could just be an email address. It wouldn't automatically notify these external_id's on new comments, but the code[1] looks simple enough that adding such a feature doesn't seem hard. SourceHut has other things going for it, like its web-interface not needing JavaScript and the code being AGPLv3 licensed. However, it's still in alpha and hence not ready for a project like Emacs yet. Also, it is not a GitHub clone, so people may argue we'd just be switching from one exotic to system to another. [1] https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/todo.sr.ht/tree/master/todosrht/tickets.py > This reminds me of something that I've been meaning to ask -- how come > there's absolutely no spam on debbugs? Presumably all the 40K debbugs > addresses are in all the spammers' address books, so the server should > be flooded by spam, but nothing makes it through. What's the spam > handling system employed by GNU? I dimly remember spam in debbugs being pretty bad ~10 years ago or so. Something has happened then, but I also don't know what... -David