From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Po Lu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Why is emacs so square?" Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 12:30:14 +0800 Message-ID: <877dyaye21.fsf@yahoo.com> References: <863691n4xl.wl-me@enzu.ru> <86blno9yle.wl-me@enzu.ru> <87d0845msg.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h7xgjasw.fsf@yahoo.com> <0B01B576-3DC7-4FAE-8010-C9B5CB6BA024@icloud.com> <87d084htcf.fsf@yahoo.com> <149F5B4D-F219-409C-A994-096C777259EC@icloud.com> <87v9lweynz.fsf@yahoo.com> <74B639DD-3775-4BE7-B0B2-300B5CE62E14@icloud.com> <87k12bewpq.fsf@yahoo.com> <87o8rnacxr.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="46876"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: me@enzu.ru, joseph.h.garvin@gmail.com, stefan@marxist.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, pcr910303@icloud.com, eliz@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, ndame@protonmail.com To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 20 06:42:12 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jQOG3-000C6p-Hi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 06:42:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57186 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQOFz-0007I1-JS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 00:42:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43162 helo=eggs1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQO4t-0004qa-4d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 00:30:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs1p.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQO4l-0005YH-HW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 00:30:31 -0400 Original-Received: from sonic314-22.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.189.148]:37939) by eggs1p.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQO4k-0005Te-0q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 00:30:31 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1587357023; bh=zPljh6ZUHPVIpjJLChFkzvFM4l929M1AJfDd02XT5XE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=YuLjuP+/GYzpilGSHnqF3+Kwi1VQzCytqXKlpR5HA+3H5qOBU12FGBNt5IDL766Y0lT3Mob3iRdCm4eJPEI5OHKXJ3IlralujB7mleR9hM79mzbbEQPXFn+RBZ8W0BXMEBecvraC56LG4BAr5BqfiBMdga2G1j60L9oIBmJtaU+B5MCzX40dlQmFeZVPlFCsgubSRmOjMM3biksXuyA9DkW5AoxgqafkJhXBjjPnFwXIARneDNeFL7W6f7OOpTbsxM2XphOWuyrcgECNkIxeJqTXVo2D48QQ7J168AFDianzzIRV3mO5P9eueV54rWcOE0fqlsRaj09jQ7srGF+HSw== X-YMail-OSG: uH_RZZsVM1kaPSVeSVRN1tHR_EqEWjYR.ELA73ydsMXJFXlMdudLYC5a8RVmW7. XpiwPMpcdCAfx1P8utm5PtkOv3r45ft0os6fE51cG3yFSy5R3t8SnDTW8YoUQUMWhxnZYjv8RlZQ mS55qFpD0r3VZoPlgIaGiZfa3jQ12G2QNlr42Rj06etbV370SSvncV1gi6h1VBALem1RmuWeGzfK U7eagrdV7xSDDdVR8Hh6zUAJLJ5c1WOepOsY5UV8YUQd9e13iXqHzlqCqnkTS8t3HPtr8TBFyQfP 3J9CiGDaZgTn8HokqFbUVlxKYRBnj5lhYVJ16irFW74rudekn9BBuvAKpwygUTcddnatovqe8SEr QlwVNa19_.pr2PdgQgGV3m9DqkDxKPq5eOojTW0NcB1ahVMZvNGdCgxqMWkbsmWwtogcByhU5X6N 7MuPMMe.uGg41dP8CUWgP2OcR8ImeKgFQ_2lOwbjDKK8cSY4BNefY161eQx09YF8YNspHg1pi5Mk BZarmwZ4G3lv9bgpt_.7luEn.TLysJl4v6ASPLy029PgQ26O5zyNMr87HiPOqp7wH8cnzGs.Mh_b IpWKSxEOJwfsFXBHL12AB2Bcef.dZ01.JoN9QNFCAsovdaWzUZf1K911SwgbVIRsgswATWD6jtGS SD5VcMsVCGecCjMopeWEOpTL4_nm1mGSpg.oF5hi5jPUorkdLBQpbfbFDtW9cy8agb.uHQ4ibufu o5UnXkE9vvcaVc4P0uUO3HDjdatGJOlubgEo2UiFnz8jiFJH0T672w_S29FpKDpdCjW9qFfB_Ewa h2BNJfTrsoOY0nDTBvQBDgOh5v4rNvLTiR18M8XTj_ Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic314.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 04:30:23 +0000 Original-Received: by smtp432.mail.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID d2be3b4acd18997270c34d4a1cfdb90b; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 04:30:18 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 19 Apr 2020 22:19:19 -0400") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.15651 hermes Apache-HttpAsyncClient/4.1.4 (Java/11.0.6) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.189.148; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic314-22.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs1p.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/20 00:30:23 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 X-Received-From: 66.163.189.148 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247357 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > Those are not part of the Lisp language, so they are not really > part of the mission of the Lisp Reference Manual. > It does document some internal C conventions because they are useful > for people who want to customize at the C level, but we do that > only to the extent that seems worth doing. I'm just saying that I would consider buffers part of Emacs Lisp, and not a separate "Emacs Lisp standard library".