From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A new user perspective about "Changes for emacs 28" Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 17:27:07 +0200 Message-ID: <877dt49tmc.fsf@telefonica.net> References: <1ca462fa-0f9e-3c18-6386-f43f49388b2f@gmail.com> <20200907180812.5tfylspp7i6vl4o3@Ergus> <94fda087-a61b-356d-4bb4-791907593246@yandex.ru> <24302cf8-5ac8-4abd-83ce-3e33c51a8beb@default> <83k0x4mjsv.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2373"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:0w7o/Nr+oYfiz5s5JoeL1Sasoxo= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 08 17:29:29 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kFfYn-0000XV-Cy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 17:29:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53196 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFfYm-0005LC-E0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 11:29:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56218) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFfWf-0002Az-BZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 11:27:17 -0400 Original-Received: from static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de ([116.202.254.214]:52684 helo=ciao.gmane.io) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFfWd-000808-KT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 11:27:17 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kFfWZ-00084b-Kb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 17:27:11 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/08 09:19:29 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254747 Archived-At: ams@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) writes: > > undo-tree is superior. > > > > That would make Emacs unusable for the majority of Emacs users. > > I believe this is an exaggeration. Exaggerations aren't useful in > discussion such as this one. > > I would find it entierly unusable (I've tried it several times) and I > know several people who use Emacs would find the same, so I do not > find it at all an exaggeration. Leaving aside the extra and unobtrusive features it brings, undo-tree just changes the undo/redo cycle to explicit undo and redo. I can't think how that makes Emacs unusable, as it is how most editing applications works out there. Or are you talking about the obnoxious bugs where undo-tree corrupts the undo information? It seems that they were fixed some months ago.