From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again: Use monospaced fonts less Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2020 23:05:19 +0200 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <877dpya9dc.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <84273aa2-24a9-7584-18b9-03a5ac783d62@yandex.ru> <835z7vjrg3.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuvegkmo.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ftf6n9.fsf@gnu.org> <835z7qfp6h.fsf@gnu.org> <87ft6lgw5y.fsf_-_@gnus.org> <87lfgciy9f.fsf@igel.home> <87362kfsf5.fsf@gmx.net> <874kl39aua.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87mtyvltx6.fsf@rub.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30844"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Roland Winkler , Andreas Schwab , Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stephen Berman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 03 22:41:27 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kkwLu-0007ts-3W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2020 22:41:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58822 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kkwLt-00073c-66 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2020 16:41:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58492) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kkwJZ-0004Ec-Re for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2020 16:39:01 -0500 Original-Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.198]:46291) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kkwJY-0008IA-32; Thu, 03 Dec 2020 16:39:01 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 91.129.99.98 Original-Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-99-98.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.99.98]) (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D2EFCC0005; Thu, 3 Dec 2020 21:38:54 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87mtyvltx6.fsf@rub.de> (Stephen Berman's message of "Wed, 02 Dec 2020 23:33:41 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.198; envelope-from=juri@linkov.net; helo=relay6-d.mail.gandi.net X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260253 Archived-At: >> This begs the question why proced doesn't use 'tabulated-list-mode'? >> Maybe there are some features in proced that are not yet supported >> by tabulated-list? > > This question came up in bug#1779 > <20008.59545.186131.208473@gargle.gargle.HOWL>: > > From: "Roland Winkler" > Subject: Re: bug#1779: 23.0.60; proced with variable-pitch header line > To: Chong Yidong > Cc: Stephen Berman , 1779@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 22:03:53 -0500 > > On Thu Jul 21 2011 Chong Yidong wrote: > > AFAICT, the alignment issue does not occur in Tabulated List mode, which > > uses :align-to. In the short run, you might be able to get a clue about > > the correct fix from there. In the long run, I think proced.el should > > be reworked to use Tabulated List mode. > > Thanks, I'll have to find out what Tabulated List mode is doing. > I am just wondering: In general, proced was much inspired by dired. > Would you suggest that dired should likewise use Tabulated List mode? IMHO, the difference is that dired is based on the output from external programs inserted to the buffer as is, whereas proced has an internal list data that can be provided to tabulated-list.