From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: access to ELPA development packages? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:271686 Archived-At: dick writes: > You've explained this poorly, and at too esoteric a level of detail. > > Donning my anti-flak jacket in preparation for RMS's justifiable indignation > at my having spoken for his eminence, RMS is more concerned about the public's > conflation of MELPA with GNU, the former having accrued enough name > recognition over the years to become metonymous with the emacs community despite > flouting FSF doctrine. > The MELPA versioning deficiencies are irksome yes, but in no way deleterious > to MELPA's popularity or basic function, which is two-fold, to provide a > package archive unconstrained by FSF doctrine, and to feed our narcissism as > programmers. To expand on the latter, more than ninety percent of the > packages hosted on MELPA are pet projects of dubious practical value. > > To those ends, MELPA provides real value, the objections of ideologues notwithstanding. My issues with MELPA are not ideological. I know that they have non-free adjacent software and a lot of weird stuff -- and good stuff too -- but I am really just conceder with MELPA "unstable" being the default repository a lot of people use. -- Philip Kaludercic