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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:276586 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Richard Stallman writes: > Is there a good reason to support cl-symbol-macrolet at all? > It is a bizarre construct. People largely agree that with-slots is beneficial, for example. with-slots wouldn't be possible without symbol-macrolet. Both macrolet and symbol-macrolet (and flet as well) are indispensable in macros. macrolet is effectively a built-in code-walker and code transformer, the most powerful functionality accessible to end user in CL and likely in Elisp as well. symbol-macrolet is comparable (it can be used to achieve effects that can't be achieved with macrolet). --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJLBAEBCgA1FiEEgu5SJRdnQOF34djNsr6xYbHsf0QFAmFhJzsXHG51Y2xlYXJz cGFjZUBnbWFpbC5jb20ACgkQsr6xYbHsf0TYtA/+Jdk5Vxwn6CO1qTC/PcA7xn8/ zqQEm4v9ugm7pmXJtoCxKkNg7Vp6oqcV8Y7bzVz9RULgrvav/SpshOWpJoZE8ysQ Skdgbi4JO3Vyxkmn4BbCAhKtHa8CeODcBrPX75lSKiEitl1PRCuVSIeuk6alPR9b yyOXAHFzol6TcJ/2mjDL6jj6+mZ0trXzuD9XztJFEB2GrOGMlbLCuHvgs4ME2nfq 0HZFzTbdFveAPtKtSgYQOAXP7I0ccJ/QceqOTDGMRg3F1o7oW65ASxMRvPhzAwP5 2piAjaLdAYnpfmaMtyw4vTMT1tsXTi8fX9kXnAgMMH5v7NeyNDtDMzCsMZZ9oCqu rBq2l2UpSh1kd1ypRzhOkt2hm9zu6u2ZWov4FCepyFwS7RO+lLn3LKsRAUt2+SiI 1cf58IbyBIBsj0jhJ50NMegQWdUlostZAAsIMLE5AOVQZ7BNaVfmGQJ3bjkgyDOB hybCgT0Q+YKZQmiwohdqh6o8L8yrNqIbZAlUC32XUf6miB04au7pKdHW4aRonJBm FJMpEFufXd6jdeK/93RQqlM8mSFDTAYFL2F52+VHKGFFNm/+TvpecDewzDDMc8+I HcGQrXa7RlicMcGneJRLPgCrobQ5tFT7V6sWw7GHE7umGFV6+4qpPUcJnqcuVefI fpwDuxTNO4K5l6THX1E= =rU+M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--