From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: sqlite3 Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2021 21:29:00 -0800 Message-ID: <877dcil2sj.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <87tufmjyai.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20396"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:fbmuZSquRP9bKwKZp3lOlqZDA/8= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 06 06:31:19 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mu6at-00057V-0L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 06:31:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43552 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mu6ar-0007ls-JJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 00:31:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38566) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mu6Yw-0006Aq-9Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 00:29:18 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:58622) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mu6Yu-0001M0-Dv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 00:29:18 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mu6Ys-0002op-Rp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 06:29:14 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:281053 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > I think many user experience things in Emacs would be better if Emacs > remembered more. > > The bigger systems don't have this problem -- Gnus needs a large > .newsrc.eld file, and it maintains that. A plea from the heart: Gnus also needs a better data store, and sqlite3 is the answer to that need. The .newsrc.eld format is not okay. Emacs *needs* to ship with default database support, and that database should be sqlite3. Everything talks to sqlite, and Emacs should, too. I don't have many opinions about Emacs' direction of development, and I rarely shout about anything, but please: csv and sqlite need to be built in. We should be able to rely on them. Please make them part of the distribution.