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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:281288 Archived-At: On Tue, Dec 07 2021, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Uhm... anybody else got any ideas for a word for a variable that has a > value that survives an Emacs shutdown? persist-defvar? Oh, wait, that already exists... =F0=9F=98=B2 (Well, OK, it's on GNU ELPA, = but still.) I noticed you hadn't listed "permanent" yet, or "durable". But I do think 'persistent' is the usual term to describe this sort of thin= g, so personally I'd find a way to use it. --=20 Joost Kremers Life has its moments