From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Po Lu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On Contributing To Emacs Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 20:13:45 +0800 Message-ID: <877dbpvsee.fsf@yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23592"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) Cc: xenodasein@tutanota.de To: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283498 Archived-At: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." writes: > - Development velocity is glacial. With releases around once per year > and there being no easily accessible distribution mechanism for > development updates, high-velocity projects or projects that must adapt > to a changing ecosystem (straight.el satisfies both of those criteria) > simply do not have a place in Emacs core as it exists today. Why does a package manager need to constantly adapt to a changing ecosystem, or be developed at a very high velocity? That doesn't make sense to me: package managers are one of the cornerstones of an ecosystem, so I would expect that ecosystems tend to adapt to their package managers, and not the other way around. > - The tools that must be used for contributing to Emacs are extremely > antiquated, and difficult to use for most developers, especially newer > ones who form the majority of the potential contributor base. That is simply untrue. > - The CLA signing process is inexplicably slow and opaque. With most > other projects, you sign the CLA in two minutes through a web interface > and you are on your way. With Emacs, you have to send an email, which > may or may not eventually receive a reply with the appropriate form, > which you then have to manually send back, and the whole process often > takes months with no communication whatsoever from the FSF about the > reason for the holdup, especially for contributors outside the United > States. I can point to a number of documented examples of this (i.e. > contributors waiting multiple months with no reply from the FSF, > despite many follow-ups). I have actually seen (in person) various problems resulting from signing legal documents via online forms destroy pieces of software, so I strongly support the FSF's position on how the copyright assignment must be signed. > - The mailing list which is the sole form of communication for Emacs > core development feels exclusionary to me. There is a heavy backbone > of established culture and conventions around the mailing list, which > are to my knowledge not documented anywhere and instead exist as > unwritten rules of discourse. Why not ask?