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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:284186 Archived-At: >>>>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 18:32:14 +0100, Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez said: >> The *only* case I can see where we could set custom-file to eg >> ~/.emacs.d/custom.el (and maybe load it automatically) is for people >> with no customizations. Pedro> Hmmm??? I don't get it... really and humbly sorry. My initial ta= ke is that Pedro> things will be clearer if you Pedro> split things between init.el and custom.el. Pedro> Customising and initialising are two different although related = things. Pedro> I think it is less dangerous to delete the custom.el file and le= ave the Pedro> init.el file untouched than to edit Pedro> the .emacs or the init.el file. More so for novice users. I=CA=BCm not arguing against splitting custom and init. I=CA=BCm saying you can=CA=BCt do that automatically except in very specific circumstances, since you will surprise and inconvenience people accustomed to the current behaviour. Robert --=20