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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:284335 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> Do we want to collect as many packages as possible, even if the >> implementations and practices are sub-optimal, are displaced by >> alternative implementations in Emacs or ELPA, etc. or should we try to >> restrict the packages to popular, "good citizens" of the Emacs package >> space, in an effort to raise the standards and clean up "obsolete" and >> "redundant" packages. It is probably clear that I have an inclination >> towards the latter position: Going forward it seems preferable to have >> as many useful and idiomatic packages available directly via the ELPAs, >> without burdening newcomers with duplicate functionalities. My >> motivation in contributing to NonGNU ELPA is to further this goal. > > Note that (Non)GNU ELPA in the long term will inevitably also contain > old/redundant/outdated packages unless we go and actively remove such > packages (which we haven't done so far). Of course, but this seems to be a separate issue. Thinking about if a package is already deprecated or could be improved now is a different consideration than the (still real) issue of maintaining and preserving this for future releases. > So, I think if we want to improve the quality, in the long term, the way > to do that is not just by restricting which packages we add, but by > finding ways to regularly re-assess the quality of packages and coming > up with good ways to remove/demote packages based on that (and similarly > promote those packages that are currently particularly good). What do you mean by promote/demote packages? Something like a "featured" section in GNOME Software (https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Software)? > > Stefan > -- Philip Kaludercic