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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:291079 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > And if your POV is shared by the Org developers, then I ask again: why > is the Org manual, which weighs in at 23,000 lines, is being written > in Org? The original reason is simply https://list.orgmode.org/AANLkTin=gUscE4znd4pYY85X9d2wLkC+JADVcDN8AeoJ@mail.gmail.com/ >>> I was just wondering... Is the manual written in texinfo markup, or is there >>> some obscure .org file behind the manual still? >>> >>> If it really is written in texinfo, is this not a shortcoming? Org mode is >>> capable of generating html and pdf etc. Why not use it for the manual then >>> to set the example and show its powers!? and then https://list.orgmode.org/m2fu8942pr.fsf@tsdye.com/ >>> It's a real pleasure to know that Org can now eat its own dog food (and >>> to see Carsten's memorable phrase on the Org mode list again). Many >>> thanks for picking up this orphaned project. I look forward to the day >>> it serves as the source for org.texi. So, now we have our manual written in Org mode and we never had reasons to come back to texi. Best, Ihor