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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293969 Archived-At: >>>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2022 12:18:38 +0800, Po Lu said: Po Lu> The most glaring one is the inability to position toplevel windo= ws Po Lu> manually, for "security reasons". The developers don't want to = fix it. I thought it was because the Wayland people have a philosophical objection to programs knowing anything about the coordinate system in use. Either way, they don=CA=BCt even see it as a problem that needs fixing. Robert --=20