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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID f1ffc213c1db0f41e3184f084867b420; Tue, 27 Sep 2022 08:31:33 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <83fsgdjlni.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 27 Sep 2022 10:56:17 +0300") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20702 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.186.146; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic302-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296330 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Why should we second-guess what users will want? why not include those > other specs, even though they aren't standardized? How many popular > desktops which have these specs are out there? They aren't specified at all. Most consist of private protocols between a desktop (i.e. GNOME) and software written by the desktop developers (i.e. GTK), and anyone who tries to document them will end up having to second-guess what they were originally intended to mean. Examples would be _GTK_FRAME_EXTENTS, _GTK_HIDE_TITLEBAR_WHEN_MAXIMIZED, _GTK_THEME_VARIANT, GDK_VISUALS, _MOTIF_DEFAULT_BINDINGS, _GTK_WORKAREAS_Dn, XFree86_DDC_EDIDn_RAWDATA, and _GNOME_MAX_SCREEN_SIZE. I only vaguely know their meanings, certainly not enough to write any meaningful documentation about them.