From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs-29 b44a7ff85dc: Allow 'icon-title-format' to have the value t Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2023 16:02:22 +0100 Message-ID: <877cwboydd.fsf@telefonica.net> References: <167661970773.22310.13511166994278322415@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <20230217074148.2E130C1391A@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <87bklooy1e.fsf@telefonica.net> <83pma3tdvo.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12810"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:u90rZVmOH/h8oyAa7Pj6AT9J3Tc= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 21 16:17:57 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pUUOy-0002y0-ID for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2023 16:17:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pUUOB-0006Eg-Np; Tue, 21 Feb 2023 10:17:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pUUFF-0003Cl-HI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2023 10:07:53 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pUUFD-0003of-20 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2023 10:07:53 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pUU9y-0000QC-TU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2023 16:02:26 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 21 Feb 2023 10:17:01 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:303652 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Then, we have a problem with terminology: "iconify" is a word that is >> rarely used since decades ago, the current term is "minimize", so most >> new users will not understand what icon-title-format is about from its >> documentation. > > There's nothing we can do here. This terminology is everywhere in > Emacs, both in documentation and in names of commands and variables. > The node "Visibility of Frames" explains the terminology, and mentions > the "minimized" alternative; it also has index entries to that effect. Ok. What about the other part on my message? The current explanation for having `t' in icon-frame-title should be removed. OTOH, maybe we could explain that icon-frame-title it is effective in cases where the user does not explicitly iconify the frame, as when he moves to another virtual desktop.