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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:306966 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Maybe the text should make that clear, so this should not be "for more >> details", but "for explanations of these rules, please read >> https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Sending-Patche= s.html" > > Those are neither "more details" nor "explanations", they are what we > expect from a perfect patch submit. I don't see how we can omit them, > if we want to describe our conventions in full. Without such a full > description, that whole section is unnecessary. That sounds like improving the average patch submitted would be useless if the instructions are not perfect for every case. But that risks losing contributors because they give up when reading the instructions. The goal is easier onboarding. Any hurdle in the way of sending a good patch=C2=B9 causes fewer good patches to be sent =E2=80=94 and more bad pat= ches, because people then don=E2=80=99t read the section at all (or don=E2=80=99t= even find it, because on the website only CONTRIBUTING is linked with a description that indicates that says that this is about contributing). =C2=B9: good need not be perfect, but good enough to make maintenance easy. Best wishes, Arne =2D-=20 Unpolitisch sein hei=C3=9Ft politisch sein, ohne es zu merken. draketo.de --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJEBAEBCAAuFiEE801qEjXQSQPNItXAE++NRSQDw+sFAmSO5yIQHGFybmVfYmFi QHdlYi5kZQAKCRAT741FJAPD65WLEACpipBWureC97rBIAwApYk7rUQqgQLhp4zi +nK63+1R7nCV+H/1gf5YvP96IlSv5Ti5+dhM6/OIotAxG5AT824QH9beSUQ+lpiJ 24NZv/dxJ6DTIpOszyUbbrG8UaTWTYFd93gweZcXCWvJwNIdiRVVPLlIbQDqsp1L 1cnoahvxhD9EGAFOHUdp7aa3wN+pzs3f5Zar3kOan/tMlYGGGsziVJhVzCXC0W76 TSA2fyjfpFU48X5q6EH3IIiCc3lmyYHEbwCIkCKhEjbsi0WeksD3dXIvAHL2A9L3 bf0hgsqiSg8h/71zVwlQ3IogbjvrVEhyKs826lYqVaHVSzp29WMhn0iasMl8HsYO eoSHy2uAFGJQ4ZsFnUyFGTWXCYG2qZ6+Iix4MQAikX1ucEzwhBRmGDpQMaZafDUR GfLmSIzm5Y0bSNpCEdkLAutgll+B1gXukmCzhEApkRYhYmSDlPGyl4uNEMvDeFVY reTJaPRO6No+wf+ZiJaWiAz/NWD8VHMk3/z/k84l4VaIigTPHA0yuNspRpRC1tgU kMFbT4Myd0sw45MnhOBTwzfdlRMPrrNlZj3sR6Jp7rY1jreJRVOU/GAL3tRRckbC 4w5GqZIi5qfXdHJurb4+EstcgM8ZDiXn901K+8200KqxSBt6mmFS/4HFvfW+n7FK 5XS5L40mw4jEBAEBCAAuFiEE3Si95tmHXKvOSosd3M8NswvBBUgFAmSO5yIQHGFy bmVfYmFiQHdlYi5kZQAKCRDczw2zC8EFSJc+A/9PG0RtO5HIfz4w86xT0aKKSHeW 9nKTy4xk1hor5n9+Y/3eyx11uMKtvewbWekXq5RkWkoTtiEFa9Kf2Ff+31dbQsPi htXOulZHLMX+AbFmvCEozU0Vd9FbHXtySSrq2ufjqfZln0uQrAjzUyvqlZI9xI4k JuipLDlg4/mWJr1I8g== =GE4j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--