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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID d81a05963760d0a464ca1cf998c5606a; Sat, 02 Sep 2023 09:00:17 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87pm31gg3x.fsf@localhost> (Ihor Radchenko's message of "Sat, 02 Sep 2023 07:59:46 +0000") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21763 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.186.147; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic302-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309863 Archived-At: Ihor Radchenko writes: > ... a number of people are concerned about privacy and prefer to not > expose their emails. In which case, they can read or download the list archives, correct? > Read-only access is precisely what I am talking about. But not for the > whole list - just for a single thread. So IIUC, you're proposing that a significant amount of time and energy be expended on an endeavor meant to accommodate a very small fraction of people who are loath to subscribe to the list, reluctant to browse the list archives by hand, and desire the contents of a single thread to be delivered to them, without sending mail to each of its participants and thereby disclosing their e-mail addresses. A mouthful, right? If we commit to embarking on this journey, then several requirements have to be met at its outset. Servers to run such a Discourse instance must be located, and the help of a system administrator ready to dedicate his time to its maintainence must be secured. Moderators must enlist to filter spam and other distasteful content emanating from Discourse. All to accommodate a smattering of individuals, whose existence is only attested by circumstantial evidence and word-of-mouth. Does this not impart upon you the impression that the problem is patently inconsequential, and the proposed remedy extreme? > News gateway is much harder to setup and severely limits the available > MUA. I am told Thunderbird is also a newsreader, and it is installed by default on most of popular GNU/Linux distributions. > For example, I have never managed to do it and instead relying on > emails. Open Gnus, then type: B news.gmane.io RET Search for: gmane.emacs.devel then type RET. > Sorry, but I still don't understand. All the mailing list emails are > public already. How will the fact that some people read the same public > emails anonymously not from lists.gnu.org web interface, but from their > email client change anything? If the capacity to subscribe to a single thread from an MUA is truly all that is being pursued, we would be better off operating a service for that express purpose than a bulletin board system.