From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Instead of pcase Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:29:31 +0100 Message-ID: <877cmabh44.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <21eda04f-b974-0c56-ce6c-4fc0810e4e13@gutov.dev> <87edgkouoa.fsf@gnu.org> <8a43628e-0c00-2690-bd86-f355674d218b@gutov.dev> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2241"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:P0QkQkWw5n2jZ5gWHjtgGdrafSo= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 22 15:10:16 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r5nvi-0000M2-PN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:10:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r5nut-0002un-3k; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 09:09:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r5dvt-0000em-CN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 22:29:45 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r5dvr-0008Hm-KG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 22:29:45 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r5dvo-000AD8-WE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:29:41 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 09:09:20 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:313130 Archived-At: Richard Stallman wrote: >> In Lisps, most of the complexity simply moved to standard >> library (and/or other libraries as well). > > This seems to presume a principle of "conservation of > complexity", but that is not so. Complexity doesn't simply > "move". I think what he means is, without libraries the complexity is repeated in every file and in different ways with different solutions often for the same situation. With a library - the complexity is in one place alone, and all the files using it conforms to the same interface. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal