From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding a generic mathematical library Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2024 21:51:05 +0200 Message-ID: <877cdettg6.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <878qy1at52.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87ikwz5nll.fsf@dataswamp.org> <875xsz5g07.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87v80z3wkq.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87ed7n3sav.fsf@dataswamp.org> <878qxv3pz4.fsf@dataswamp.org> <871q3n3p75.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87msma3mgo.fsf@dataswamp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19632"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:xMD4TVHEQX+FZHiZ6VlIdVpeOoI= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 22 04:23:35 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sVii6-0004zC-4p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 22 Jul 2024 04:23:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sVii0-0007ji-Ub; Sun, 21 Jul 2024 22:23:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sVcaU-00061V-8V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2024 15:51:18 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sVcaS-0007y1-GL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2024 15:51:17 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sVcaP-0009Nd-TR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2024 21:51:13 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 21 Jul 2024 22:23:28 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:321920 Archived-At: Christopher Dimech wrote: > To get what you want, you have to agree with something. > Otherwise you get the resistance you have witnessed. I am in > agreement with Eli on this thing. We should first discuss > its scope and design. It matters where things are put, as long as they are shipped and can be found from anywhere maybe that can be handled then. It matters what things are called, if they have some long prefix from some package it is like a joke asking math people to use it - I'm not one of them but I know how they think and would feel like an idiot handing them such software - if this can be solved as well, so no prefix and ISO/conventional names for everything according to a chosen method, then only one thing remains and that is ... The scope of the "library", will it also have a bunch of Calc specific helpers, settings and so on? Because if it doesn't it is just located in the Calc dir. Why ever anyone would place it there I don't know but also don't really care. So yes, examine what Calc doesn't have then. Individual functions ... hard to care about them. After you do one, someone else will pop up, and you can spend a decade on that and not a single new file or anything visibly has improved. So no thanks to that. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal