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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325228 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Po Lu >> Cc: cpardo@imayhem.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2024 08:25:53 +0800 >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> > I already said that we could have both what you want and what Cecilio >> > considers TRT. Why do you keep arguing for your concept as the only >> > one? >> >> Because the former is fatally hamstrung for many users, from whom we >> will undoubtedly receive a spate of issues reporting that their modifier >> keys are not producing activation events. > > I understand what you are saying, but Cecilio and myself clearly > disagree, so why not have both abilities in Emacs (assuming that it is > possible and practical)? That would be redundant, since there is no key binding inexpressible with the events I propose that can be expressed with events generated from keysyms. For most users, it will be just a simple matter of writing `meta-left' or `meta-right' rather than `alt-right', and so forth.