From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Shutko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Will default key bindings spell the death of Emacs? Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 18:58:34 -0500 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <8765nt9ufp.fsf@wesley.springies.com> References: <3ED67422.7060305@math.ku.dk> <20030529214728.GA24984@gnu.org> <3ED68408.4080700@math.ku.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054252709 4506 80.91.224.249 (29 May 2003 23:58:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 23:58:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri May 30 01:58:27 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19LXHv-0001AP-00 for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 01:58:27 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19LXWo-0004Bc-00 for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 02:13:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19LXJq-0003rJ-V9 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 29 May 2003 20:00:26 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19LXJA-0003aB-Vn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 May 2003 19:59:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19LXIy-0003I3-Pf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 May 2003 19:59:33 -0400 Original-Received: from remt30.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.8.40]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19LXIg-0002xu-Ac; Thu, 29 May 2003 19:59:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [24.171.116.220] (HELO wesley.springies.com) by remt30.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP id 40115605; Thu, 29 May 2003 19:59:12 -0400 Original-Received: from ats by wesley.springies.com with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19LXIe-0001lr-00; Thu, 29 May 2003 18:59:12 -0500 Original-To: Lars Hansen In-Reply-To: <3ED68408.4080700@math.ku.dk> (Lars Hansen's message of "Fri, 30 May 2003 00:04:56 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Original-cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14444 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14444 Lars Hansen writes: > I do not argue that we should implement MS Windows-like keybindings. I just > argue that it should be easyer to change key bindings. In what way? I don't think it's hard to change keybindings. I'd say it's difficult to completely change the keymap to something else... but that's only because there's so much functionality, it's hard to come up with a keymap which covers everything I want, and does so better than Emacs. I've done this on other editors, and I found it easier to learn Emacs's key bindings than to come up with a set I liked better. There's room to make key binding customization easier (people have talked about adding it to custom) but nobody's really come up with a good interface yet. What do you think? -- Alan Shutko - I am the rocks. Looking for a developer in St. Louis? http://web.springies.com/~ats/ We are all worms. But I do believe I am a glowworm. -- Winston Churchill