From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta Subject: Re: Permission to use portions of the recent GNU Emacs Manual Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 19:58:55 +0900 Organization: The XEmacs Project Message-ID: <87652xutg0.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <008201c4e629$893e0fd0$0300a8c0@neeeeeee2> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1103540667 12709 80.91.229.6 (20 Dec 2004 11:04:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:04:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, xemacs-beta@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, bob@rattlesnake.com, stephen@xemacs.org, 'Paul Pogonyshev' , andy@xemacs.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 20 12:04:18 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CgLKr-00053H-00 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 12:04:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CgLVI-0002Iu-W3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 06:15:05 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CgLTU-0002Hg-4j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 06:13:12 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CgLTR-0002H0-Oo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 06:13:09 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CgLTR-0002Gx-1A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 06:13:09 -0500 Original-Received: from [130.158.98.109] (helo=tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1CgLG1-000477-Pk; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 05:59:18 -0500 Original-Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CgLFg-0000xX-0Z; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 19:58:56 +0900 Original-To: "Ben Wing" In-Reply-To: <008201c4e629$893e0fd0$0300a8c0@neeeeeee2> (Ben Wing's message of "Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:19:14 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:31285 gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:17525 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31285 >>>>> "Ben" == Ben Wing writes: Ben> David Kastrup wrote: >> Which is the FSF's choice. The difference is that XEmacs has >> decided not to bother about assignments and stuff, and due to >> that decision they don't have such a general cooperation to >> offer in a manner useful for Emacs. That's sad but true, although I would phrase it differently. Ben> You seem to think that it is the duty of XEmacs to do Ben> whatever is necessary to assure that GNU Emacs can use its Not the duty; merely a precondition for any effort on the part of the FSF. Ben> code, even to the extent of hindering the development of Ben> XEmacs itself. In fact, if we had insisted on such a policy, Ben> we could not have gotten the sorts of corporate assistance Ben> (Sun, Amdahl, INS Engineering and others) that we got. Which, you should recall, the FSF has deliberately foregone, to the extent that accepting such assistance conflicts with the overriding goal of promoting software freedom---which you should not confuse with promoting free software. OK, Ben, you tried, you didn't get what you wanted, but when we decide we'd like to synch some parts of the manual, we can apply for the specific relicensing then, as Richard suggested. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.