From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance... Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:59:12 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87642gsta6.fsf@jurta.org> References: <87sl5n5yem.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87fy1nbe4f.fsf@jurta.org> <87sl5m4fsc.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <85abrskhv7.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1189551997 26119 80.91.229.12 (11 Sep 2007 23:06:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:06:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: wilde@sha-bang.de, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 12 01:06:34 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IVEoI-0007gy-4x for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:06:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IVEoI-00036G-2A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:06:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IVEoF-00035H-HE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:06:19 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IVEoD-00033N-1T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:06:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IVEoC-00033K-Rh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:06:16 -0400 Original-Received: from relay01.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.200]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IVEo5-00059W-G9; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:06:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay01.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IVEnt-0002Tp-P2; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 02:06:06 +0300 In-Reply-To: <85abrskhv7.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Tue\, 11 Sep 2007 23\:33\:00 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Scanner-Signature: 1e897a521fdb5eac39b1f944f187ca57 X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Not Detected X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 1457 [September 11 2007] X-SpamTest-Info: helo_type=3 X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: none X-SpamTest-Rate: 25 X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: not_detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0255], KAS30/Release X-Detected-Kernel: FreeBSD 4.8-5.1 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:78613 Archived-At: > The way to win people's heart is not by making them unhappy. > > "Welcome! To learn about Emacs, press F1 C-a or use the Help/About menu." Good idea! Just one line gives all necessary information about how to get more help. We can even make it more visible by highlighting it in bold red. > Use an idle-timer to make sure that for the first 30 seconds of > idleness, regardless how Emacs has been started, this message is not > obscured for longer than 5 seconds (of course, unless the startup > screen _is_ actually being displayed which would be the default for an > Emacs started without command line options and not, say, loading a > desktop Yes, seeing the startup screen after loading a desktop instead of the last saved file is the same annoyance as for starting Emacs with a file. Furthermore, loading a desktop means that the user has already seen the startup screen at least once on the previous session before saving the desktop. > or doing other startup operations ending in a dedicated buffer). Like for instance, emacs --eval '(info)' when the user wants to use the Emacs Info reader instead of the standalone Info reader, and sees the startup screen instead of the Info buffer. The standalone Info reader does not do such bad things. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/