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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:80552 Archived-At: On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:44:19 -0400, Eric S Raymond said: > From: Jason Rumney >> Subject: Re: Policy issue in the VC manual -- recommending CVS?!? >> To: "Eric S. Raymond" >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Message-ID: <470D40AA.6020400@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Eric S. Raymond wrote: >> > Recommending GNU arch is dubious considering Arch's >> > poorly-maintained and poorly-documented state. If I'm not >> > mistaken, Arch has been effectively moribund since about 2003. >> > >> >> I think you're mistaken. Savannah lists the last release as July last >> year. > So it's only been over a year since the last point release. I'm not > hugely reassured. I can assure you that the tool is functional, and is in production use in a number of projects. >> > Recommending CVS is well beyond dubious into outright ridiculous. >> >> Like it or not, CVS is stable, and widely used. Its "problems" are >> widely exaggerated by adherents to the latest wave of version control >> religions. > Er. I've been using VCSes since the days when SCCS was the only one > in existence. The fact that I still cheerfully use RCS, the second > one ever built, makes me pretty bulletproof against charges of > version-control faddism. But file-oriented VCSes just plain suck for > distributed projects, and there's no way to make them not suck. >> > No recommendations at all would be better than these. Who decides >> > what the manual recommends? If it's "the last person to care", I'm >> > going to nuke these in a nanosecond. >> Arch is part of GNU > Please tell me you're not implying that we should recommend an > inferior GPLed tool over a superior one just because the inferior is > distributed from an FSF server. That would be taking political > jaundice to an absurd extreme. I think you first have to make your case that arch is inferior. It does not change a whole lot, but what we have works just fine. Over the last year I have twice evaluate bzr and git, and found that they do not support the feature set of arch that I have come to rely upon -- so in my view, at least, bzr and git are the inferior products. YMMV. manoj -- God isn't dead, he just couldn't find a parking place. Manoj Srivastava 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C