From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Online help and help-for-help improvements Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:49:47 +0100 Message-ID: <8763w8k86s.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> References: <87myplmgn8.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <87skzcvnt0.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1204239026 31223 80.91.229.12 (28 Feb 2008 22:50:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 28 23:50:51 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JUraJ-0007rn-85 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:50:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JUrZl-0007xn-0g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:50:05 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JUrZf-0007vH-10 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:49:59 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JUrZd-0007sr-VY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:49:58 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JUrZd-0007rr-K1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:49:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-relay.sonofon.dk ([212.88.64.25]) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JUrZd-0006WP-3d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:49:57 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 51755 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2008 22:49:48 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO kfs-lx.rd.rdm.cua.dk) (213.83.150.21) by 0 with SMTP; 28 Feb 2008 22:49:48 -0000 In-Reply-To: <87skzcvnt0.fsf@jurta.org> (Juri Linkov's message of "Thu\, 28 Feb 2008 23\:04\:59 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:90789 Archived-At: Juri Linkov writes: >> Here is a patch which improves the online help in the >> following ways: >> >> - the output from C-h C-h is much easier to read and use. > > Yes, it is much easier to read now. It removes command names > (not useful for users who read this help page), but maybe we > could put these command names on the `help-echo' property > over the help key letters? Maybe, but I don't see what benefit that would do. > Also using the verb `Display' at the beginning of every line > seems too superfluous, i.e. instead of I'll change that. >> * startup.el (startup-echo-area-message): Check for about-emacs. > > Could you please fix this also in the Emacs 22 branch? I'd prefer if someone else would install the patch on the branch: 2008-02-28 Kim F. Storm * startup.el (startup-echo-area-message): Check for about-emacs. *** startup.el 18 Feb 2008 11:31:27 +0100 1.480 --- startup.el 28 Feb 2008 12:58:49 +0100 *************** *** 1896,1902 **** (insert "\tBuying printed manuals from the FSF\n")) (defun startup-echo-area-message () ! (if (eq (key-binding "\C-h\C-p") 'describe-project) "For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a." (substitute-command-keys "For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type \ --- 1896,1902 ---- (insert "\tBuying printed manuals from the FSF\n")) (defun startup-echo-area-message () ! (if (eq (key-binding "\C-h\C-a") 'about-emacs) "For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a." (substitute-command-keys "For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type \ -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk