From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: position on changing defaults? Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:43:11 +0900 Message-ID: <8763vw4ti8.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <200803050637.m256bXL3008361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200803052230.m25MUORx001881@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200803070407.m27471TG016558@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <87hcfg4u7p.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <200803090036.m290a4oW020277@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205023414 30373 80.91.229.12 (9 Mar 2008 00:43:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 00:43:34 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 09 01:44:01 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JY9dx-0000w5-I9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 01:44:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JY9dP-0002Am-DB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:43:27 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JY9dJ-00026b-Nl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:43:21 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JY9dI-00022F-02 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:43:21 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JY9dH-00021j-Jz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:43:19 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp12.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.74]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JY9dD-0004AG-GG; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:43:15 -0500 Original-Received: from 203-216-96-086.dsl.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.96.86] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp12.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1JY9dB-0005YU-F7; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:43:13 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 295AC2FF7; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:43:12 +0900 (JST) System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <200803090036.m290a4oW020277@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> (Dan Nicolaescu's message of "Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:36:04 -0800") Original-Lines: 21 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:91818 Archived-At: Dan Nicolaescu writes: > I don't buy that "power user" argument. That seems clear > It is not dissimilar to the UI that you get nowadays when typing a URL > in a browser. Users seem to do just fine with that. Maybe it's time > to reconsider what a user knows and does not know nowadays. The difference is that such browser interfaces are designed to fairly readable and clear. iswitchb is not. Morever, typing a URL into a browser address bar is a relatively uncommon action (compared to other browser activities), but switching buffers is an _extremely_ common action in emacs, and deserves a lightweight and unintrusive interface. -Miles -- Un-American, adj. Wicked, intolerable, heathenish.