From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: binding c-h in isearch Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 01:59:12 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <8763ud1mdf.fsf@jurta.org> References: <001b01c8a263$27d917e0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1208646967 14379 80.91.229.12 (19 Apr 2008 23:16:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 23:16:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Stefan Monnier' , joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 20 01:16:41 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JnMIQ-0003tr-Qm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 01:16:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JnMHl-00061Y-Lv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:15:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JnMEn-0003RZ-I3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:12:53 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JnMEl-0003QO-L3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:12:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JnMEl-0003QA-Dd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:12:51 -0400 Original-Received: from relay01.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.200]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JnMEk-0003rb-Mm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:12:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay01.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JnMEi-000FxN-Mo; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 02:12:49 +0300 In-Reply-To: <001b01c8a263$27d917e0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:20:12 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-Scanner-Signature: 5bcd58edb95cdacf596e852bfe0375ec X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Not Detected X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 2676 [Apr 18 2008] X-SpamTest-Info: helo_type=3 X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: none X-SpamTest-Rate: 10 X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: not_detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0255], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.8-5.1 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:95493 Archived-At: >> > It is difficult to remmeber all nice features of isearch. >> > Would it be possible to bind c-h to isearch-mode-help in isearch? >> >> There's the following code in isearch.el: >> >> ;; Turned off because I find I expect to get the global >> ;; definition--rms. >> ;; ;; Instead bind C-h to special help command for isearch-mode. >> ;; (define-key map "\C-h" 'isearch-mode-help) >> >> So it seems that Richard found it inconvenient. Could someone try and >> work out some clever way to reconcile the two functionalities? >> >> E.g. provide the generic help on C-h but the isearch-specific help on >> C-h C-h, or vice versa? > > Since this can of worms has been opened and stirred... > > FWIW, I disagree with the approach being considered (Juri's suggestion etc.). It > is complicated for nothing. The simplest approach is the best: C-h during > isearch should give the isearch bindings - bind C-h to `isearch-mode-help'. > > That is the convention, and it is a good one. This is like C-h following any > other prefix key. Richard is just wrong about this. Why jump through hoops? Isearch mode is a mode, not a prefix key. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/