From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Florian Beck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: Re: 23.0.60; emacs-report-bug fails silently Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 04:28:30 +0200 Message-ID: <8763smvv01.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> References: <87fxs0hrrv.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> <4840084C.2020405@gmail.com> <87d4n3ii41.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> <48407716.5080704@gmail.com> <874p8fi9op.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> <87od6lc1bd.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> <87abi4r3ci.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> <87zlq0gkru.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> <87r6bcgdlm.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1212805745 18528 80.91.229.12 (7 Jun 2008 02:29:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 02:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, Florian Beck To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 07 04:29:47 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K4oBW-0003Hg-OL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Jun 2008 04:29:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33309 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K4oAj-0003gj-Lc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:28:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K4oAe-0003gU-CL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:28:44 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K4oAc-0003g9-RM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:28:44 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39933 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K4oAc-0003g6-PM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:28:42 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:55615) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K4oAc-0007tT-Of for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:28:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:58966) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1K4o8k-0002LL-9Z for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:26:46 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K4oAY-0007sS-2r for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:28:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mo-p07-ob.rzone.de ([81.169.146.190]:30007) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K4oAX-0007rv-ND for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:28:37 -0400 X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: z4gYkBuibEUuEEkKOBbVf7Z2nbabdA== Original-Received: from aeschylus (p54995FCB.dip.t-dialin.net [84.153.95.203]) by post.webmailer.de (mrclete mo15) (RZmta 16.42) with ESMTP id U065e3k570cRuX ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 04:28:31 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from: ) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Fri, 06 Jun 2008 02:01:24 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:98557 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:22582 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > Duh! Thank you for tracking this down. I've changed the default of > mail-interactive with the patch below. Embarrassingly, I cannot verify this, because after I had a stab at configuring sendmail ubuntu doesn't let my un-configure what I have done. Even after brutally deleting files I have touched, sendmail now refuses to return an error code. Anyway, your patch does of course *not* help in the case that sendmail or postfix is halfway configured, ie. delivers mail locally (which means in practise the mail most likely is never seen). This is quite likely to happen because, as far as I remember, either anti spam software or some web server stuff required me to install postfix (but it didn't require that it worked properly). Maybe Emacs should require the user to set up her mail. That is, if not configured, it should return an error. Inconvenient with emacs -Q, I know. Probably worth it if you consider it likely sendmail is misconfigured. > > Stefan > > --- sendmail.el.~1.314.~ 2008-05-11 17:49:35.000000000 -0400 > +++ sendmail.el 2008-06-06 01:58:09.000000000 -0400 > @@ -114,7 +114,11 @@ > :group 'sendmail) > > ;;;###autoload > -(defcustom mail-interactive nil > +(defcustom mail-interactive t > + ;; We used to use a default of nil rather than t, but nowadays it is very > + ;; common for sendmail to be misconfigured, so one cannot rely on the > + ;; bounce message to be delivered anywhere, least of all to the > + ;; user's mailbox. > "Non-nil means when sending a message wait for and display errors. > nil means let mailer mail back a message to report errors." > :type 'boolean -- Florian Beck