From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-j considered harmful (not really) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:54:04 +0200 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <876398uqgj.fsf@mail.jurta.org> References: <912155b0911161437l7d5d5d3h790edff279fdad7a@mail.gmail.com> <7b501d5c0911161451s3e54e48dve127bd144f2affc8@mail.gmail.com> <877htpjwd4.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <200911172317.nAHNHZbL006602@fed.local> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1258539806 19597 80.91.229.12 (18 Nov 2009 10:23:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:23:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: per@starback.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, deniz.a.m.dogan@gmail.com To: Xavier Maillard Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 18 11:23:19 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NAhgU-0006Yk-1b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:22:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58818 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NAhgT-00085W-Bj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:22:45 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NAhbz-0005HM-Ho for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:18:07 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NAhbu-0005Dl-HC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:18:06 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37380 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NAhbu-0005Dc-6L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:18:02 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp-out3.starman.ee ([85.253.0.5]:58018 helo=mx1.starman.ee) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NAhbr-00013d-AM; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:17:59 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: by Amavisd-New at mx1.starman.ee Original-Received: from mail.starman.ee (82.131.31.20.cable.starman.ee [82.131.31.20]) by mx1.starman.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E1443F411F; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:17:53 +0200 (EET) In-Reply-To: <200911172317.nAHNHZbL006602@fed.local> (Xavier Maillard's message of "Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:17:35 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117166 Archived-At: > >> That key should be used in I-search with the same meaning as C-j has > >> now, and should > >> be possible to use instead of C-q C-j to enter a newline in minibuffer > >> input. Maybe > >> could be used for this? > > > > How about M-RET instead? That works in non-windowed Emacs as well and > > seems to be unbound by default. > > In IM clients, S-RET inserts newline, and RET accepts input. > > Does it work in -nw environment ? Here S-RET is not recognized in > my session (GNU Emacs running in the linux console). I think most users including newbies that are unaware of `C-q C-j' use Emacs on a window system anyway, so they would benefit from S-RET that is a standard key to insert newline instead of accepting input in other programs. We have the same duality with the S-TAB key. On a terminal, we provide an alternative `ESC TAB'. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/