From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Basic Bazaar guide for Emacs hackers. Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:59:01 -0500 Message-ID: <87638pnz96.fsf@red-bean.com> References: <87skbzblp5.fsf@telefonica.net> <87y6log42q.fsf@red-bean.com> <87y6lo8zgi.fsf@telefonica.net> <87638sy5ab.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tywc8u7t.fsf@telefonica.net> <87k4x76wpp.fsf@telefonica.net> <8e0e71cb0911302252v6a7c9f80j532308eb0a842816@mail.gmail.com> <4B14D4FC.8070509@gnu.org> <8e0e71cb0912010726k56f90cbbm8d96b5e0dd3a6b6f@mail.gmail.com> <837ht6ms94.fsf@gnu.org> <873a3u8o45.fsf@notengoamigos.org> <83ws16la2q.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Karl Fogel NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1259778159 8852 80.91.229.12 (2 Dec 2009 18:22:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:22:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, Eli Zaretskii , jearl@notengoamigos.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 02 19:22:31 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NFtqQ-0005Hz-1K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:22:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38459 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NFtqP-0006uP-JM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:22:29 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NFrbm-0007x5-Gk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:59:14 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NFrbh-0007u3-Ox for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:59:14 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47676 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NFrbh-0007tu-I5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:59:09 -0500 Original-Received: from sanpietro.red-bean.com ([66.146.206.141]:44786) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NFrbd-0008Cv-Lq; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:59:05 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35394 helo=kfogel-work ident=kfogel) by sanpietro.red-bean.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NFrba-00009U-TT; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:59:03 -0600 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:42:12 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:118140 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> Yes, it's slow. "bzr annotate" in a lightweight checkout takes almost >> 3 minutes here. What's worse, it seems to send the entire annotated >> source downstream in one big chunk, whereas CVS seemed to send it in > > Remember that the network protocol used is sftp, so the remote > repository is "dumb" and cannot perform any operation such as > "annotate". So when you do an "annotate", nothing is sent upstream > other than commands to fetch files that contain the relevant parts of > history, and then the annotate operation is performed locally. I'm hoping we can change that soon, with bzr+ssh access. See https://savannah.gnu.org/support/?107077 for details. In related matters, I'm hoping we can get Bazaar 2.0.2 on Savannah. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar/2009q4/064932.html quotes Norbert Tretkowski as saying he has uploaded a bzr 2.0.2 lenny backport to http://people.debian.org/~nobse/temp/bzr/, and that he'll upload it to backports.org soon. http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/bzr doesn't have it yet, but I'm asking another uploader in IRC about it right now (Jelmer Vernooij). Transcript below. -Karl jelmer: have you seen https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar/2009q4/064932.html? Apparently Norbert Tretkowski has uploaded a bzr 2.0.2 lenny backport to http://people.debian.org/~nobse/temp/bzr/. He said he was going to upload it to backports.org, but I don't see it at http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/bzr. Is this something you can do? (It would help us for the Emacs switchover.) kfogel: I am able to upload, but we should probably check with him jelmer: I don't know him, and his email address doesn't appear to be in that mail, but do you know how to contact him? I can try to track him down if not. kfogel, his email address is nobse at debian.org he is also here on IRC as nobse If you haven't asked him about the backports yet, I'm happy to talk to him jelmer: I haven't talked to him about it yet. If you can coordinate with him, that'd be great. As soon as it's on backports, we'll ask the savannah.gnu.org admins to install it [...]