From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Phil Hagelberg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Integrating package.el Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:02:38 -0800 Message-ID: <8763795zsh.fsf@hagelb.org> References: <87k4w5lbyb.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <87zl50jv52.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87d41rn3wt.fsf_-_@hagelb.org> <87k4vxiwlj.fsf@lifelogs.com> <878wcdjg9r.fsf@hagelb.org> <87637gh73j.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87637b96pc.fsf@hagelb.org> <87wrzr6ugo.fsf@hagelb.org> <87ocl242jc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87d41ihx9g.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87ocl167wx.fsf@hagelb.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1263164585 24071 80.91.229.12 (10 Jan 2010 23:03:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, tzz@lifelogs.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, elpa@tromey.com, "Stephen J. Turnbull" , Chong Yidong To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 11 00:02:57 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NU6oD-00042P-0m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:02:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34534 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NU6oD-0007Zj-OW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:02:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NU6o8-0007ZM-H8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:02:52 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NU6o3-0007Z9-Kq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:02:51 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51926 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NU6o3-0007Z6-Cj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:02:47 -0500 Original-Received: from caiajhbdcbbj.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.119]:48751 helo=homiemail-a12.g.dreamhost.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NU6nz-00037s-Tz; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:02:44 -0500 Original-Received: from enigma (71-23-19-98.war.clearwire-wmx.net [71.23.19.98]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a12.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 58CF4714060; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:02:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:24:15 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.90 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:119800 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> I'm going to continue my work on package.el whether or not it is >> accepted into Emacs, but it would be a shame to make users go through >> extra installation steps to use it. > > Having myself written a package manager (install.el), I'm clearly fully > in favor of integrating something like package.el. > I don't think there's necessarily much work to be done to integrate it. > > E.g. It is not necessary to set up a VCS area to keep the package > sources (and other such things) before integrating package.el. True, this is not of the highest importance since the steps it takes can still be done manually without too much tedium. > Basically, all I want is for it to be able to distinguish between > "packages available locally, either installed by the user or the > sysadmin", and "packages that will be autoloaded in a given session", so > as to be able to install different versions of the same package at the > same time. OK, I will prioritize this once I finish adding support for multiple archive sources. I think we'll need this in order to support separating out fully-supported packages vs unsupported packages for which we simply have copyright assignment as Ted has suggested. thanks, Phil