From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Recommend move eshell/su and eshell/sudo to em-tramp.el
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2012 16:53:17 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8762a3r31e.fsf@gmx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2r4ssiq4r.fsf@newartisans.com> (John Wiegley's message of "Tue, 03 Jul 2012 14:47:00 -0500")
"John Wiegley" <johnw@newartisans.com> writes:
> This type of behavior, being that it is special, really deserves to be in its
> own "opt-in" module. It's better to educate people how to turn on behavior
> that may have surprising consequences, rather than to make it the default and
> then educate them how to disable it.
Understood. Maybe we should change it such a way, that plain sudo is
called when your default directory is local. This is what people expect.
> Also, eshell/sudo does not fit with the philosophy of the other
> functions in em-unix.el. Every other function in that file provides a
> *pure Lisp* implementation of an equivalent Unix command. As far as I
> can see, both *sudo and eshell/sudo end up calling /usr/bin/sudo.
> sehell/sudo is not pure Lisp (i.e., it involves an external command).
> So I'm not sure what benefit eshell/sudo gains, since ultimately it
> does the same thing, only slower and with blocking I/O?
The idea behind eshell/sudo (and eshell/su) is
- Allow su(do) to run lisp commands. "sudo ls" would call the Lisp
implementation of ls, not the UNIX ls .
- Allow su(do) on remote hosts. On the fly, tramp-default-proxies-alist
is expanded, in order to apply sudo on that remote host, and not on
the local host.
Two new features, which weren't in eshell before (IIRC).
> Other than that, you know I'm a huge Tramp fan, and I use Tramp+eshell quite
> often. I'm very interested in seeing this work progress, albeit in its own
> module.
I agree with you that we shall not surprise people, especially when
calling sudo for local machine purposes. OTOH, I'd love to have a kind
of automagic to let it work on remote machines. Opt-in modules need time
and courage to discover.
> Thanks,
> John
Best regards, Michael.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-07-04 14:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-07-02 19:25 Recommend move eshell/su and eshell/sudo to em-tramp.el John Wiegley
2012-07-03 6:56 ` Michael Albinus
2012-07-03 19:47 ` John Wiegley
2012-07-04 14:53 ` Michael Albinus [this message]
2012-07-10 12:22 ` Michael Albinus
2012-07-10 16:57 ` John Wiegley
2012-07-10 18:56 ` Michael Albinus
2012-07-11 3:57 ` John Wiegley
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2012-06-29 3:32 John Wiegley
2012-06-29 9:45 ` Michael Albinus
2012-06-29 21:51 ` Phil Hagelberg
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