From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Achim Gratz Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The Emacs Calculator and calendar Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 09:56:52 +0200 Organization: Linux Private Site Message-ID: <87626md8aj.fsf@Rainer.invalid> References: <87y5jk3f7d.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1349596629 28991 80.91.229.3 (7 Oct 2012 07:57:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 07:57:09 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 07 09:57:16 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TKlje-00061s-LO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 09:57:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45682 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TKljY-0007hc-PI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 03:57:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54341) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TKljW-0007hX-5V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 03:57:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TKljU-0006Ni-TC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 03:57:06 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:41726) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TKljU-0006Ne-MW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 03:57:04 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TKljY-00060S-8p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 09:57:08 +0200 Original-Received: from pd9eb57bf.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.235.87.191]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 09:57:08 +0200 Original-Received: from Stromeko by pd9eb57bf.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 09:57:08 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 27 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pd9eb57bf.dip.t-dialin.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:xt+z+lDD/6FGScTJPp7Wm0kwgjg= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:154162 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > I would say it even more strongly: the Unix cal and the Emacs calc are > foolish chimeras; there > were hundreds of different dates of adoption of the Gregorian calendar, > stretching almost 400 years. > Emacs calendar does the only sane thing. > > I am not convinced. Nobody used the Gregorian calendar in 1400, > so displaying dates from that year in Gregorian is an anachronism. That argument doesn't have legs to stand on, IMHO. A user of Emacs asking for a date that far back can only make sense of it from the current frame of reference. If it matters what calendar (if any calendar at all, really) that hypothetical somebody back then would have used then there's a lot more work to do to find a suitable calendar than simply saying that our current calendar didn't exist back then. Picking a random calendar that did exist somewhere at that time isn't going to cut it. So the only sane default is still _our_ calendar. Regards, Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+ Samples for the Waldorf Blofeld: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#BlofeldSamplesExtra