From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 14:28:32 -0500 Message-ID: <8762047mvz.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> References: <87ehf1cwc4.fsf@maru.md5i.com> <20130331220136.GA16863@saturn> <83ip44iw3b.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Karl Fogel NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1364930921 11906 80.91.229.3 (2 Apr 2013 19:28:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 19:28:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: John Wiegley , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 02 21:29:08 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UN6tH-0006fK-Uq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 21:29:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54416 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UN6st-0002XE-7g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 15:28:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58194) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UN6sn-0002Wx-IP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 15:28:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UN6sl-0002HK-BL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 15:28:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ie0-x232.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c03::232]:42679) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UN6sl-0002HC-72; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 15:28:35 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ie0-f178.google.com with SMTP id bn7so860338ieb.9 for ; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:28:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:reply-to:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=Ll785+ljKZnH9SbaZZlVYvxMfLBFLM1YaxHupJW73II=; b=uoCV7M+CUl9kapbpXrT9SEJazXUHS02zv4pkp8rJDFfFtF5GxysM2qwRNkjsFW7PO0 i3E+lONqJdqsPmjAnQnpeVFcOOEZO6kQwDlu5F57rUidRlPOhQME6/Qs0tHSRYL4gTQs i4smqTUGilZIUEr8JB55Ztu3Wyo7frVrZD+/sc/WhVQHNX/tnA9+09NOyIT24AfpY46P KxQXhkDdXfTfTlnnG5SNo1iM0xCRe8rpiNHqH/CgNv2xSGmWvn5ZiTD/MzoqzouLND09 XWi9cYNhpXLmCeNb4OpWn1leLNqPGlUUUHCUYR0YX/Y4++c9hIUzTOtm3bv//6EhnRun n8bw== X-Received: by 10.50.10.161 with SMTP id j1mr5678499igb.45.1364930914689; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from floss.red-bean.com (64-145-114-106.client.dsl.net. [64.145.114.106]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c14sm1425841ign.2.2013.04.02.12.28.33 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:28:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83ip44iw3b.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 02 Apr 2013 22:14:16 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::232 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:158565 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >Are you saying that the project should choose its VCS because you >personally use it exclusively, or because you personally don't want to >learn a new UI? That'd be absurd. What about the hours _I_ invested >in learning bzr -- doesn't that count? What about the collective >hours invested in incorporating bzr into our workflows and >pretest/release cycles, and into writing admin/notes and bzrmerge.el? >do we just throw that away and start from scratch? Is your personal >happiness really worth that much to justify all that waste? > >Selecting a VCS is a prerogative of the head maintainers. Sometimes >they will ask contributors for opinions, sometimes they won't (I >participate in projects that did either of these). The only thing >that matters is that the selected VCS supports the platforms that the >project cares about, and that it is reasonably efficient. Whether >J.R. Hacker is or isn't happy about the choice is not really relevant. >I know, because a couple of projects to which I contribute switched to >git, and no one asked me whether I was happy (nor should they). > >Sorry for being blunt, but this is just waaaaay out of line, even for >this thread. I think he was just offering himself as a data point (and perhaps encouraging others to do the same inspection). My numbers are similar to John's, FWIW.