From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:08:14 +0000 Message-ID: <8761mzbmdd.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> References: <52FD9F1D.50205@yandex.ru> <83mwhucg1h.fsf@gnu.org> <878ute589i.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83d2iqc84m.fsf@gnu.org> <87wqgxkcr9.fsf@yandex.ru> <834n41db0d.fsf@gnu.org> <52FE2985.4070703@yandex.ru> <831tz5daes.fsf@gnu.org> <8738jlohd6.fsf@yandex.ru> <83txc1bl83.fsf@gnu.org> <5300189A.9090208@yandex.ru> <83wqgv9fbj.fsf@gnu.org> <20140216180712.236069f6@forcix.jorgenschaefer.de> <83sirj9cyp.fsf@gnu.org> <20140217203145.71a849f7@forcix.jorgenschaefer.de> <837g8t8ouc.fsf@gnu.org> <87siq4aqq5.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <83siq3y4sp.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1395940117 6374 80.91.229.3 (27 Mar 2014 17:08:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:08:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, forcer@forcix.cx, mina86@mina86.com, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 27 18:08:43 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WTDnF-0000ta-IR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 Mar 2014 18:08:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55040 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WTDnE-0002MK-W5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 Mar 2014 13:08:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60542) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WTDn8-0002LZ-LX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Mar 2014 13:08:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WTDn3-0005qu-Bz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Mar 2014 13:08:34 -0400 Original-Received: from cheviot12.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.234.12]:43873) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WTDn3-0005q8-5l; Thu, 27 Mar 2014 13:08:29 -0400 Original-Received: from smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk ([10.8.233.129]) by cheviot12.ncl.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1WTDn1-00057E-AX; Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:08:27 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost (jangai.ncl.ac.uk [10.66.67.223]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s2RH8QGo012090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:08:26 GMT In-Reply-To: <83siq3y4sp.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 27 Mar 2014 18:39:18 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 128.240.234.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:171037 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Something like the gitorious merge request facilities would help here. >> Then you would be able to see that your request had gone in. Mailing >> lists are good for some things but maintaining a database is probably >> not one of them. > > What we really need is to have in place an efficient and effective > procedures for patch review and application. Without that, patches > will collect dust on gitorious as they will in the archives of this or > another mailing list. Yep, but the flip side is that it is easier to see which patches are gathering dust. That's always a good motivator. I mean, it's like a todo list; yes, you still have to do the things on the todo list, and if you don't it comes big and pointless. But, I have found my todo handling is a little more efficient since I discovered org-mode to replace either post-it notes or my (every failing) memory. > So I think you are putting the carriage ahead of the horse. We need > first to have "patch pilots" and maybe some support rules, and then > those people will pick up the tools they like best for doing their > job. Having a database of patches that no one looks upon will lead us > nowhere. Again, I think this is partly true, but my experience is that it's easier to pull a branch and switch to it, than it is to handle patches. Processes are important. But so are tools. It's why I use Emacs rather than ed for instance. Phil