From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: More metaproblem Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:23:04 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <8761drvhmf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <20141203142859.24393.98673@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <20141203192721.GE12748@thyrsus.com> <547F6774.50700@cs.ucla.edu> <838uio5vjw.fsf@gnu.org> <20141203211447.GB15111@thyrsus.com> <871toge5zw.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> <83388v6hsq.fsf@gnu.org> <85zjb3q06b.fsf@stephe-leake.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417688633 7725 80.91.229.3 (4 Dec 2014 10:23:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 10:23:53 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 04 11:23:46 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XwTZa-0005P6-6e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:23:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45210 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwTZZ-00070J-QF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 05:23:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60475) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwTZG-0006xN-6G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 05:23:32 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwTZ9-00020j-8Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 05:23:26 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:58761) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwTZ9-00020a-1W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 05:23:19 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XwTZ8-0005BO-1J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:23:18 +0100 Original-Received: from x2f436f0.dyn.telefonica.de ([2.244.54.240]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:23:18 +0100 Original-Received: from dak by x2f436f0.dyn.telefonica.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:23:18 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 28 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: x2f436f0.dyn.telefonica.de X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:kSbVadOxfsfK1fQ4QVt3oh2WWiw= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:178815 Archived-At: Stephen Leake writes: > That's not what admin/notes/repo says: > > Sometime before the release of a new major version of Emacs > a "feature freeze" is imposed on the trunk. No new features may be > added after this point. This is usually some months before the release. > > "some months" is not "short". (see below for suggested patch) Shrug. In project life cycles, it tends to be short. When the move to Git became an imminent topic, Eli complained about the performance of git-blame like on src/xdisp.c. I said that I probably could do something about that in some reasonably short amount of time. Took me probably half a year to come through on that promise. And lo-and-behold, when we converted to Git, most stable (rather than long-term) distributions of software containing Git had the fix in time for Emacs' move. I was pretty sure I had dropped the ball, but apparently there is not a lot of gravity. For quality-delayed releases rather than fixed schedule releases, I don't think I've seen freezes that turned out shorter than a few months at least. -- David Kastrup